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This airplane (and my AeroClassics 1/400 model) heads my list of favorites. Images both mine, and was there ever a more aesthetically pleasing machine? Not hardly. Keep 'em flying, Doug
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Very nice Doug
I have a pretty good United collection but don`t have any AC 62s yet.
I`ll be looking for these now.
It`s good to see an interesting (sharing) post on here for a change.

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I need that model. Looking good!
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I found this model at Just Plain Fun (after having sold my original one) two weeks ago. They often have out of stock stuff show up. Thanks, guys. Later, Doug
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In 1969, this aircraft couldn't have come at a better time because United was going through some awful times. The airline was brutalized by the CAB over the long and agonizing Transpacific Route Case and as it turned out, United was the biggest loser. The CAB not only refused to award United with South Pacific routes, they also allowed five other airlines to begin service to Hawaii.

United had to witness the devastation of their highly coveted Hawaii routes from over capacity by newly awarded airlines and the eventual arrival of 747s. This in turn saw United's $19 million profit in 1969 become a $17 million loss by 1970. As the -62 performed beautifully with direct flights to Hawaii from ORD, JFK, DTW and BWI, United began a management change that would see their fortunes rise as they began to openly press for deregulation.
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It's a beautiful aircraft, a great model and thank you for sharing!
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Very nice Doug
I have a pretty good United collection but don`t have any AC 62s yet.
I`ll be looking for these now.
It`s good to see an interesting (sharing) post on here for a change.

It is not a horribly rare model, you have to monitor ebay constantly (including ebay.co.uk and ebay.ca) and within year you must be able to collect all DC-8-6X in all 6 United liveries it was released. And with a little more time you will as well have a United Caravelle.
The 737-200 Mainliner by SMA appears to be the only tough one, the rest reappear on ebay with regular frequencies (I "fish" on ebay alot... it's the only way to catch a fish you want)

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It is not a horribly rare model, you have to monitor ebay constantly (including ebay.co.uk and ebay.ca) and within year you must be able to collect all DC-8-6X in all 6 United liveries it was released. And with a little more time you will as well have a United Caravelle.
The 737-200 Mainliner by SMA appears to be the only tough one, the rest reappear on ebay with regular frequencies (I "fish" on ebay alot... it's the only way to catch a fish you want)
Gotcha, I`ll get there eventually

I got lucky recently at a collection sale and got this pup.



I just love that Mainliner livery the most.
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Ron - I agree with your choice of the Mainliner livery. I owned the one of the SMAC 737-200 Mainliners, and let it go when I sold my 20 model 1/400 UA collection. I have reacquired the DC-8-61 and -62 Mainliners, but I'm gun shy when it comes to SMAC 737s. My Mainliner 732 was showing signs of zinc rot torque and torsion, with a hairline crack extending well back from the nose, and I just suffered a rotten port main landing gear on a beautiful PanAm billboard SMAC 732, so I'm done with them. The AeroClassics Caravelle Mainliner is really nice, too. Great photos by the way, Later, Doug

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Appreciate Steve's historical background on the UA DC-8-62. He and Richard Stretton bring these models to life. DA.C: 'The reports of my death are highly exaggerated'. Keep 'em flying, Doug
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Ron - I agree with your choice of the Mainliner livery. I owned the one of the SMAC 737-200 Mainliners, and let it go when I sold my 20 model 1/400 UA collection. I have reacquired the DC-8-61 and -62 Mainliners, but I'm gun shy when it comes to SMAC 737s. My Mainliner 732 was showing signs of zinc rot torque and torsion, with a hairline crack extending well back from the nose, and I just suffered a rotten port main landing gear on a beautiful PanAm billboard SMAC 732, so I'm done with them. The AeroClassics Caravelle Mainliner is really nice, too. Great photos by the way, Later, Doug
Good to know Doug and thanks
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Appreciate Steve's historical background on the UA DC-8-62. He and Richard Stretton bring these models to life. DA.C: 'The reports of my death are highly exaggerated'. Keep 'em flying, Doug
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I liked that myself

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My babies (the 737 has succumbed to zinc cancer, actually has been purchased in this state for $20 or 25)...

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And than there is this one (a sample? I see it being sold second time, I hope this is not the last one) ->
Aeroclassics HC 046A United DC 8 54F Mainliner CLRS Jet Freighter N8047U 1 400 | eBay
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And than there is this one (a sample? I see it being sold second time, I hope this is not the last one) ->
Aeroclassics HC 046A United DC 8 54F Mainliner CLRS Jet Freighter N8047U 1 400 | eBay
That`s a Hangar club model.
If you belong to 400SH they may still have some to spare maybe.
I got both this one and the stars/bars freighters and they are nice
For what that guy is asking it is worth giving it a shot.

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Ron - I agree with your choice of the Mainliner livery. I owned the one of the SMAC 737-200 Mainliners, and let it go when I sold my 20 model 1/400 UA collection. I have reacquired the DC-8-61 and -62 Mainliners, but I'm gun shy when it comes to SMAC 737s. My Mainliner 732 was showing signs of zinc rot torque and torsion, with a hairline crack extending well back from the nose, and I just suffered a rotten port main landing gear on a beautiful PanAm billboard SMAC 732, so I'm done with them. The AeroClassics Caravelle Mainliner is really nice, too. Great photos by the way, Later, Doug
I really wish one of the decent manufactures would re-do the old SMA 737's. The few that I have are all trashed. (Zink rot). A mainliner DC-10 would be awesome too!
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I really wish one of the decent manufactures would re-do the old SMA 737's. The few that I have are all trashed. (Zink rot). A mainliner DC-10 would be awesome too!
Mainliner brings associations with class/elite travel of pre-mass transportation times (romantic late 50s to 60s, the way I see/interpret it) and for this reason I avoid getting a 747 in Mainliner livery, and the DC-10 doesn't fit in there either (in my useless opinion )
The DC-10, a disco-age machine is best in the disco-livery that is the Friendship 70s, and there is a very hot beautiful model of it made by Dragon. Yes Dragon is a low end and I always avoid it with few exceptions but the Dragon Friendship DC-10 is really something!
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That`s a Hangar club model.
If you belong to 400SH they may still have some to spare maybe.
I got both this one and the stars/bars freighters and they are nice
For what that guy is asking it is worth giving it a shot.

Here`s the link if you have an account at 400Scale Hanger
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Do they release models on systematic basis or is it something spontaneous?
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Do they release models on systematic basis or is it something spontaneous?
Normally you have to be a member of the club to get these but they had some extra for the United 8s
They release a club model about three times a year or so.
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Disco-Queen DC-10 will...rock 4ever!
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Normally you have to be a member of the club to get these but they had some extra for the United 8s
They release a club model about three times a year or so.
I might have to join because I really love these things.
I wonder what they have released thus far... one I heard of (and own) is AA white 747-123 that AA took from PanAm, I hope I will find a full catalog of past releases on their website.
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46 Hangar Club releases have been made so far. #46 actually were two models [UA Freighter DC-8-50's]. Most models are hybrid schemes, building upon other releases.
Model #47 is rumoured to be a C-46 model. But you are never sure until the cat is really out of the box...

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Thanks for the update Doug. I agree the DC-8-62 Mainliner is a beautiful machine, and tough to surpass in design and ability. This was the ultimate long range aircraft to fly on back then! You're lucky to have this one. I went for the Friendship release.
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46 Hangar Club releases have been made so far. #46 actually were two models [UA Freighter DC-8-50's]. Most models are hybrid schemes, building upon other releases.
Model #47 is rumoured to be a C-46 model. But you are never sure until the cat is really out of the box...

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Thank you very much for the info Jan.
This month AC releases more blue-tail Lufthansa 707s and a PA Commando, I can't delay the purchase of these, so I had to pass on the United freighters... I hope to catch it next time (pretty certain it will circulate on ebay in upcoming years...)
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aleczar14, you have a very impressive collection -- the kind I'd spend hours admiring. I love all of the classic U.S. airliners you have. Would like to see more pics.
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aleczar14, you have a very impressive collection -- the kind I'd spend hours admiring. I love all of the classic U.S. airliners you have. Would like to see more pics.
Well thank you )
I am in the process of building a new display cabinet where all models should see a better organization on shelves, I'll sure post some pics then.
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For those of you interested in the Hangar Club, vacancies have actually been announced today. There is a thread now on at the 400 Hangar Forum. So you can join in now if you feel like!

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In 1969, this aircraft couldn't have come at a better time because United was going through some awful times. The airline was brutalized by the CAB over the long and agonizing Transpacific Route Case and as it turned out, United was the biggest loser. The CAB not only refused to award United with South Pacific routes, they also allowed five other airlines to begin service to Hawaii.

United had to witness the devastation of their highly coveted Hawaii routes from over capacity by newly awarded airlines and the eventual arrival of 747s. This in turn saw United's $19 million profit in 1969 become a $17 million loss by 1970. As the -62 performed beautifully with direct flights to Hawaii from ORD, JFK, DTW and BWI, United began a management change that would see their fortunes rise as they began to openly press for deregulation.
Dylan,
Do you remember the last year the DC-8-62 flew UAL flights from JFK to Hawaii and the final scheme?
I feel a classic 8-62 scheme, as the model posted by Doug, starting to appear on my to-do list!
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Do you remember the last year the DC-8-62 flew UAL flights from JFK to Hawaii and the final scheme?
I feel a classic 8-62 scheme, as the model posted by Doug, starting to appear on my to-do list!
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Probably '75 or '76 when ORD-HNL became the only direct route east of the Mississippi River. Still, you would need every timetable from the '70s and possibly the early '80s to confirm the last year it flew such a thin route like JFK-HNL let alone figure the final scheme. When the DC-10s were grounded in '79, United pressed their remaining -62s to help service the huge capacity gap left by that wide-body. And even then, it would be hard to tell because timetables were already printed for DC-10 service. Hey, I gave it a shot Herb.
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Hey, I gave it a shot Herb.
no matter how accurate, it is a joy reading. It is ok for the older guys just write (whatever they want about), write, write, and write. Worth $40-60 a month an access to the forum with grandpas talking
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alexzar14: "It is ok for the older guys just write (whatever they want about), write, write, and write."

OK, then - while the Fazeman is off chasing trains in Arizona, my wife and I soon leave for three months in Germany - gotta get out while the gettin's good... Flying US Airways, A330 over, B767 back. Nothing exotic in terms of equipment, but what I like about both of these is the two seat row next to the window - just a tad of privacy and beats five-across anytime. DA.C might be termed an intergenerational forum... Keep 'em flying, Doug
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My two cents:
  • The summer 1977 UA timetable has two direct services between JFK and HNL, one via ORD and the other via LAX, both with 747 equipment.
  • If flights ended shortly before then, the final scheme should have been the Saul Bass livery that UA began to adopt after 1973. I mean the original one with small titles and the red cheatline across the windows.

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alexzar14: " It is ok for the older guys just write (whatever they want about), write, write, and write." 24 of us are up helping rehab homes in the Rockaway Beach area in Queens after hurricane Sandy eight months ago. We are right next to JFK airport, and planes are landing/taking off all day while we're working. A veritable symphony, and I'm gaining the ability to recognize what planes are overhead by their engine tone. Is life great or what? Chow, Doug
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Probably '75 or '76 when ORD-HNL became the only direct route east of the Mississippi River. Still, you would need every timetable from the '70s and possibly the early '80s to confirm the last year it flew such a thin route like JFK-HNL let alone figure the final scheme. When the DC-10s were grounded in '79, United pressed their remaining -62s to help service the huge capacity gap left by that wide-body. And even then, it would be hard to tell because timetables were already printed for DC-10 service. Hey, I gave it a shot Herb.
Thanks Steve,- (correction, not perfection)
Did some checking online and see that '79 was the last year for a schedule -62 flying to HI as you mention due to the DC-10 hiccups...remember those days?

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[*]The summer 1977 UA timetable has two direct services between JFK and HNL, one via ORD and the other via LAX, both with 747 equipment.[*]If flights ended shortly before then, the final scheme should have been the Saul Bass livery that UA began to adopt after 1973. I mean the original one with small titles and the red cheatline across the windows.[/LIST]
Tony, Thanks as well for the scheme info. I was thinking Friendship with the wide red stripes, but it was late late 79, so Bass would be most likely be the final scheme. Still looking about. Meanwhle, Ive attached a scan from George W. Cearly Jr. (autographed!), book on UAL.- an excellent The scheme depicted is the original Mainliner scheme asreference for early UAL up to wide-bodies. There's a nice early Mainliner -62 pic as well. Enjoy.

Nice subject. Hard to believe the DC-8 has become an exotic!
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Did some checking online and see that '79 was the last year for a schedule -62 flying to HI as you mention due to the DC-10 hiccups...remember those days?
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Apologies Steve- it's the heat and the humidity
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