Reminder of the obvious...always inspect your planes

Fleetlordatvar · 10-13-2012, 03:37 PM

The following is venting:

I went to sell a plane, but when i took it out for an inspection before shipping i was distracted by a noise. I turned around quickly and the plane fell out of my hands; when i checked it i saw the rear landing gears both broke off...strange. A immediately i realized they were super glued on

I bought the plane a yr ago as NEW from another Wings900 member, here are the problems:

Phoenix pkg, but GJ plane; this confused me because DB says none were produced.
when i looked at it i didn't notice anything wrong, but didn't inspect during my Gluttony of buying models.

So, no matter how mundane or tedious ALWAYS inspect your planes

gospodin · 10-13-2012, 04:11 PM

Especially after you drop it.

Fleetlordatvar · 10-13-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

Especially after you drop it.

CarbonPlane · 10-13-2012, 06:32 PM

The landing gear aint supposed to be super glued on? Sorry, not sure what it is you're saying is wrong with your model.

airport1-600 · 10-13-2012, 07:51 PM

Jack, about how long does it take to inspect 2500 models all in their boxes?

Big Al · 10-13-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CarbonPlane

The landing gear aint supposed to be super glued on? Sorry, not sure what it is you're saying is wrong with your model.

I think he means it was sold to him with the gears super glued on, he didn't notice this until the drop exposed the weakness in the repair... Whatever though, it shows that dropping your model seriously impairs it's resale value !

aviator8883 · 10-14-2012, 12:45 PM

How do you think that gears are installed in the factory in the first place???

I don't see what the problem was with the model either, I've super glued many models in my collection and, as long as the paint has not been damaged and no glue spilled over the model, I still consider them, and would sell them as, new.

aViatOr

gospodin · 10-14-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aviator8883

How do you think that gears are installed in the factory in the first place???

I don't see what the problem was with the model either, I've super glued many models in my collection and, as long as the paint has not been damaged and no glue spilled over the model, I still consider them, and would sell them as, new.

aViatOr

I will keep that in mind when you sell your models. Only an undamaged model can be considered mint or new. Anything else is misleading.

Alaska Fan · 10-14-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlordatvar

The following is venting:

I went to sell a plane, but when i took it out for an inspection before shipping i was distracted by a noise. I turned around quickly and the plane fell out of my hands; when i checked it i saw the rear landing gears both broke off...strange. A immediately i realized they were super glued on

I bought the plane a yr ago as NEW from another Wings900 member, here are the problems:

Phoenix pkg, but GJ plane; this confused me because DB says none were produced.
when i looked at it i didn't notice anything wrong, but didn't inspect during my Gluttony of buying models.

So, no matter how mundane or tedious ALWAYS inspect your planes

you are still confused ... see my last post here: confused about a release - Wings900 Discussion Forums

hilman · 10-14-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

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Originally Posted by aviator8883

How do you think that gears are installed in the factory in the first place???

I don't see what the problem was with the model either, I've super glued many models in my collection and, as long as the paint has not been damaged and no glue spilled over the model, I still consider them, and would sell them as, new.

aViatOr

I will keep that in mind when you sell your models. Only an undamaged model can be considered mint or new. Anything else is misleading.

agree with it..
mint condition means that you do nothing with it, just like the first time you received it from your local agent or distributor as a brand new item

N. Eberhard · 10-15-2012, 01:07 PM

This thread is hilarious. How, or when, one piece was glued to another has nothing to do with how good the rest of the model is, and doesn't make it any less 'new'. In fact, I would argue that new glue properly applied is superior to the crap that the factories use.

tonycutrella · 10-15-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

This thread is hilarious. How, or when, one piece was glued to another has nothing to do with how good the rest of the model is, and doesn't make it any less 'new'. In fact, I would argue that new glue properly applied is superior to the crap that the factories use.

True!!

I got an AC A340 new from an authorized dealer. It landed with both wing landing gears loose in the box. I just glued them back with much care and it now sits again on 12 wheels. I really cannot tell the difference from a "mint" one.

A different case would have been if one of the legs had been broken, as it is almost impossible to fix it perfectly back in place unless you have got much patience and skill.

hilman · 10-15-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

This thread is hilarious. How, or when, one piece was glued to another has nothing to do with how good the rest of the model is, and doesn't make it any less 'new'. In fact, I would argue that new glue properly applied is superior to the crap that the factories use.

well at least, be honest to your buyer that the item has once glued before

and not just glue, probably if the item has fallen to the ground etc...
if you make a clear statement about that and the buyer has no problem with that, then go along with it.
otherwise, you will continually get complaints from the buyer, because they don't receive the item as "mint" as advertised

Condor757 · 10-16-2012, 12:13 AM

The workers' salaries just 300-400 USD a month. I can't image that how they can build extremely model for you. For all this the labor cost still high. As I know the manufacturer's pirce just a half of the selling price.

Adrian · 10-16-2012, 09:13 AM

Some unscrupulous sellers don't inspect their models before they sell them and expect the buyer to accept all responsibility for any flaws or breakages!

aviator8883 · 10-16-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

I will keep that in mind when you sell your models. Only an undamaged model can be considered mint or new. Anything else is misleading.

Exactly Steve, undamaged, which means, no scratches, no missing paint, no spilled glue, like I stated in my original post!

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

This thread is hilarious. How, or when, one piece was glued to another has nothing to do with how good the rest of the model is, and doesn't make it any less 'new'. In fact, I would argue that new glue properly applied is superior to the crap that the factories use.

Couldn't have said it better myself Nick, in fact, most of the time the craftsmanship is superior, not just the glue. Chinese factory workers, gluing dozens of models a day, sooner or later become careless with what they are doing, unlike us collectors or retailers, who actually love these little gems. In fact, I've often intentionally removed gears or parts that had been clumsily glued in China and glued them back myself, the result is a much better model!

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Originally Posted by hilman

well at least, be honest to your buyer that the item has once glued before

and not just glue, probably if the item has fallen to the ground etc...
if you make a clear statement about that and the buyer has no problem with that, then go along with it.
otherwise, you will continually get complaints from the buyer, because they don't receive the item as "mint" as advertised

, all of these items have been glued before, once for every piece that makes them up!

No reason for anyone to complain when they receive an undamaged model, with all of its parts glued together!

You guys seriously need to grow up and read what we are saying here carefully, we are not talking of broken parts which were put back together using glue, such as landing gear struts, we are talking of gluing back full components which had been incorrectly glued on in the first place or fell off during shipping.

aViatOr

triple7 · 10-16-2012, 05:40 PM

I once actually bought a brand new Qantas A380 from GJ at a aviation hobby shop. Got home, opened it up, and the front gear fell off. Than back to the store a 30 min drive to get it exchanged.

Now I check my models in store before I buy.

gospodin · 10-16-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aviator8883

Exactly Steve, undamaged, which means, no scratches, no missing paint, no spilled glue, like I stated in my original post!

At the start of this thread FLA stated that "the rear landing gears both broke off..." and he realized they were super-glued on. That implies they did not fall out in one piece but were repaired after the struts had been broken and the model sold as new. Regardless of how careful you make a repair of that kind, it will always be weaker than an unbroken part, and that's what I'm concerned about...the sale of broken but repaired items. Landing gear or wings or anything else that was loose from the factory is not a broken model, only poorly glued, and I don't object to that kind of repair.

ELY707 · 10-16-2012, 07:53 PM

It all depends on how something was fixed. I had a few broken gears as well. I got spares from retailers and glued them on and did a better job than any Chinese factory worker can ever do. So this debate of what is mint and what isn't really is questionable especially when the mint model is inferior to a repaired one.

aviator8883 · 10-16-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

At the start of this thread FLA stated that "the rear landing gears both broke off..." and he realized they were super-glued on. That implies they did not fall out in one piece but were repaired after the struts had been broken and the model sold as new. Regardless of how careful you make a repair of that kind, it will always be weaker than an unbroken part, and that's what I'm concerned about...the sale of broken but repaired items. Landing gear or wings or anything else that was loose from the factory is not a broken model, only poorly glued, and I don't object to that kind of repair.

OK, good to see that at least you and I understand each other, but the way I read his post, it seems like the gears detached from the model when it fell, not that the struts broke, if the struts were indeed repaired, then it was definitely a damaged model which should not have been sold as new.

aViatOr

N. Eberhard · 10-17-2012, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

At the start of this thread FLA stated that "the rear landing gears both broke off..." and he realized they were super-glued on. That implies they did not fall out in one piece but were repaired after the struts had been broken and the model sold as new.

I've seen the word 'broken' used several hundred times to describe a situation where the only thing that had happened was that the crappy factory glue joint had failed, and that nothing had actually 'broken'. I then describe to the person that all they need to do is apply some water-based glue and let it dry.

If a gear assembly actually breaks into two pieces then the only real solution is to replace it with a whole new gear assembly, or fill the gear area with a quick dry two-part epoxy and hold the offending piece until the glue cures.

Big Al · 10-17-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aviator8883

How do you think that gears are installed in the factory in the first place???

I don't see what the problem was with the model either, I've super glued many models in my collection and, as long as the paint has not been damaged and no glue spilled over the model, I still consider them, and would sell them as, new.

aViatOr

I assumed the OP meant the gears had previously been broken and repaired using super glue, not a simple case of perfectly good gears coming unstuck when he dropped it. If not, why start a thread highlighting his own clumsiness... ?

aviator8883 · 10-17-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlordatvar

I went to sell a plane, but when i took it out for an inspection before shipping i was distracted by a noise. I turned around quickly and the plane fell out of my hands; when i checked it i saw the rear landing gears both broke off...strange. A immediately i realized they were super glued on

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Originally Posted by Big Al

I assumed the OP meant the gears had previously been broken and repaired using super glue, not a simple case of perfectly good gears coming unstuck when he dropped it. If not, why start a thread highlighting his own clumsiness... ?

I agree Big Al, it makes no sense why he would do it! If I were trying to say what you assumed, it would probably read:

I went to sell a plane, but when i took it out for an inspection before shipping i was distracted by a noise. I turned around quickly and the plane fell out of my hands; when i checked it i saw the rear landing gears were both broken...strange. Imediately i realized they had been put back together using super glue

To me "broke off" and "super glued on" sounds like the gears were always in one piece... Ah the world would be a much better place if people paid more attention at their grammar lessons!

aViatOr