Aeroclassics Mould for 747

arinmuk · 09-30-2012, 07:37 PM

Aeroclassics has been releasing some briliant models including the A330 and A340 models, thanks to Mr Klein.

What I have not seen is any new releases of 747 models from them. I am sure lot of people will agree that they had a very very good mould.

Is it still there and if so , why are there no releases of the queen of the skies

Any knowledge on this will be very helpful ..

Big Al · 09-30-2012, 07:43 PM

I think there was a licensing issue involving Boeing or some other 400 scale-mafioso BS ...

N1011 · 09-30-2012, 08:49 PM

AC was using Big Bird 400's Mould which AV 400 used, now is Witty 400. A factory fallout occurred years back and Klein no longer used the mould. Licensing maybe was part of the problem as well, I don't know. All Politics in the end which we, the consumer, will probably never get the whole story in which most of us could care less about.

arinmuk · 09-30-2012, 09:19 PM

So does that mean the Av 400 or the Witty 400 747s(when produced) will be of the same quality as big bird and aeroclassics ?

ELY707 · 09-30-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arinmuk

So does that mean the Av 400 or the Witty 400 747s(when produced) will be of the same quality as big bird and aeroclassics ?

Even better, AV400 retooled the old Big Bird mould.

JustPlaneCrazy · 09-30-2012, 09:53 PM

Or otherwise referred to as, The Zinc Rot Factory

aklein707 · 09-30-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by arinmuk

So does that mean the Av 400 or the Witty 400 747s(when produced) will be of the same quality as big bird and aeroclassics ?

No, much worst, because nobody will do QC and check the models. Witty400 is only out to grab a few quick bucks!

They failed miserably as IF400/AV400, and now is their 2nd go at it with another name, so as to dupe those who don't know any better. (kind of like JC's former aliases, but with better moulds)
So far, most of what they've announced, are just copies, exact copies including same registrations, of quality models which have been done before by someone else. If an error had been made on the original, such as the AC SAS Cv-990 with incorrect colors on the wings (their original error), the same stupid mistake will be repeated. The will get the wrong colors on 747 wings, wrong shaped inspar on 707s, etc etc because they have no incentive to fix errors. So long as folks continue to buy their junk, there's no reason to improve!

Their prices are over inflated (at least JC sells their junk cheaper), so I don't see any reason to support this endeavor of greed!

Let's remember the facts; Witty is the factory which brought Zinc Rot to our hobby!!

Enjoy your collecting; remember Witty=Schitty

N1011 · 09-30-2012, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by arinmuk

So does that mean the Av 400 or the Witty 400 747s(when produced) will be of the same quality as big bird and aeroclassics ?

All manufacturers have their QC issues, it basically depends on your collecting criteria in the end and what you are willing to to pay for since the market is flooded. To answer your question, same mould but QC maybe lacking, wait for objective reviews on the models in question before you buy is my advice Arindam.

leolay · 10-01-2012, 12:17 AM

Decide not to buy Witty 400 Air Pacific B747-400 after reading this comment. Over price for sure. Thanks

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Originally Posted by aklein707

No, much worst, because nobody will do QC and check the models. Witty400 is only out to grab a few quick bucks!

They failed miserably as IF400/AV400, and now is their 2nd go at it with another name, so as to dupe those who don't know any better. (kind of like JC's former aliases, but with better moulds)
So far, most of what they've announced, are just copies, exact copies including same registrations, of quality models which have been done before by someone else. If an error had been made on the original, such as the AC SAS Cv-990 with incorrect colors on the wings (their original error), the same stupid mistake will be repeated. The will get the wrong colors on 747 wings, wrong shaped inspar on 707s, etc etc because they have no incentive to fix errors. So long as folks continue to buy their junk, there's no reason to improve!

Their prices are over inflated (at least JC sells their junk cheaper), so I don't see any reason to support this endeavor of greed!

Let's remember the facts; Witty is the factory which brought Zinc Rot to our hobby!!

Enjoy your collecting; remember Witty=Schitty

polar · 10-01-2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

No, much worst, because nobody will do QC and check the models. Witty400 is only out to grab a few quick bucks!

They failed miserably as IF400/AV400, and now is their 2nd go at it with another name, so as to dupe those who don't know any better. (kind of like JC's former aliases, but with better moulds)

Mr Klein....I wrote to you once regarding B747 molds. As a collector we don't understand inside politics in the model world. One thing for sure.....I really like Aeroclassics and I really wish that you would consider B747 for the next new molds in your line up. Recently I bought quite a lot of your A330 and A340 models. One of the best molds out there.

Adrian · 10-01-2012, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

, such as the AC SAS Cv-990 with incorrect colors on the wings (their original error), the same stupid mistake will be repeated.

Whose 'stupid mistake' will be copied?

European Collector · 10-01-2012, 04:28 AM

AK should stop bashing other manufacturers for their inaccuracies - as long as AC sells that ridiculous 727-200 mould....most collectors who have got collecting standards will avoid buying this crap Andrew mentioned - but what he did not mention is that there also are a few lemons in the AC lineup.
concerning printing accuracy AC always was state of the art, but regarding the 330/340 line... i inspected the AF 342 and the LH 333 and the windowline was printed above the cockpit on tboth models. on the AF the windowline was even printed on two different levels - so it always sounds kinda funny to me when AK bashes other manufacturers for their accuracy...

(i'm not talking about the zinc rot issue - because i don't know what material is used by which manufacturer).

in fact there are manufacturers out there who are just moneygrabbing with substandard stuff but what you forget is that you can count IF to those companies aswell - way overpriced models and horrible moulds (DC-9 - except -51 - /727/737) and lack of printing accuracy on all models (especially DC-8 and 707).

arinmuk · 10-01-2012, 07:32 AM

Wait and Watch is sound advice.

Mr Klein- Coming back to the topic : is there any plans for Aeroclassics to make those beautiful 747s either by making their their own mould or using someone else.
I cannot believe such a big company like Aeroclassics will have a a few hiccups related to licensing and would not be able to resolve it.
Other companies are creating B 747s also like PHX and IF200 so the problem can be resolved. it is a matter of getting the mould or using the better mould and quality products( so there is no Zinc rot) and workmanship( to avoid obvious errors).

Having said that, do you ( Mr. Klein) have any thoughts to share on this ?

Ciderman · 10-01-2012, 08:38 AM

I guess the great BB400 mould is out of reach for AC because of personal and legal differences.

However, a new AC 747 mould would be highly appreciated not only for the many liveries still out there but also for classic remakes (most of the original AC/BB400 747 releases sold out long ago).

Adrian · 10-01-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ciderman

I guess the great BB400 mould is out of reach for AC because of personal and legal differences.

However, a new AC 747 mould would be highly appreciated not only for the many liveries still out there but also for classic remakes (most of the original AC/BB400 747 releases sold out long ago).

I can't see that the cost of a new 747 mould would be justified in view of the number of models currently on the market. If such a mould was made, would it be a classic 100/200 series or a 400? I can't think of any livery I would want for either that hasn't already been done.

CXB77L · 10-01-2012, 09:27 AM

It would be nice to have an entirely new 744 mould that trumps all the others on the market.

Right now, I don't think there's a single 744 mould that is so good as to be near perfect - not even DW, which is regarded as one of the best 744 moulds on the market, because I find their landing gears and too much wing dihedral angle disappointing.

If a manufacturer steps up and creates a new 1:400 744 mould that's closer to the real thing than any other manufacturer has managed so far, I welcome it.

Big Al · 10-01-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian

I can't think of any livery I would want for either that hasn't already been done.

Yes but let's not forget the collectors who have since come into the hobby and those who couldn't get those 747's first time around.

arinmuk · 10-01-2012, 01:01 PM

One thing for sure.. the new mould from aeroclassics , the A330 and A340 are very very good that they seemed to have even , if not a bit better hand on PHX. If we could get an accurate mould on the 747 then there is no competition from anyone.

747 from PHX is not at all good
any of the rest except Dragon Wings doesnot even come close
Dragon Wings is quite good but they have more or less disappeared from commercial releases as they do so few 747s now adays.

Overall, the cost of creating one by Aeroclassics would be a great benefit to them and would be an instant profit maker , if someone does the business justification as they would be the only players with such a great mould.

This is solely my thoughts on justifying a business decision. Mr Klein, would welcome your opinion on this thought .

Adrian · 10-02-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Al

Yes but let's not forget the collectors who have since come into the hobby and those who couldn't get those 747's first time around.

Haven't there just been some BA Landor 747s done on the old BigBird mould? Those that have them seem pretty pleased with them, so this mould is still active and no doubt more liveries already done will be repeated if sales were good first time around.

Big Al · 10-02-2012, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian

Haven't there just been some BA Landor 747s done on the old BigBird mould? Those that have them seem pretty pleased with them, so this mould is still active and no doubt more liveries already done will be repeated if sales were good first time around.

Yep, those who managed to get them would no doubt agree, most UK retailers chose not to stock them after BA's intellectual rights 'dept' advised against it. Once more highlighting the need for these releases from legitimate sources. When the BB Landor 747's came out around 7 years ago, one of mine went missing in the post. So yes a legit re-release of that particular 742 would not go amiss.