Are You Kidding Me?

cprlaw · 08-18-2012, 11:01 PM

So I have this plane marked in my "saved searches" on Ebay because I would like to add it to my collection.

But for $135.00??!! Is this dude high or what? I could have it custom made for less than that. Go figure.

AEROCLASSICS HUGHES AIRWEST AIRLINES FOKKER F-27..VERY VERY RARE !!! | eBay

shandaken · 08-19-2012, 12:35 AM

A little ambitious price, eh?

dylan · 08-19-2012, 12:50 AM

I'd pay $135 for it. But I have two. It IS rare and doesn't pop up for sale very often. If the guy was smart, hey would be high. The price of a model is whatever one is willing to pay. Don't be mad at the world because you're poor.

Abraham · 08-19-2012, 02:05 AM

I'd jump on that in a heart beat. Agreed with Dylan....if you can't afford it why gripe?

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 02:22 AM

A lot of people, and I mean a LOT gripe about high prices, it's just life.

I would love to buy that model, and I would if I wasn't focusing on buying a real plane and my PPL.

airbro · 08-19-2012, 02:33 AM

If you really want it, why don't you just sacrifice buying some other models so you can afford it.
If this model was cheap, a bidder would probably go berserk on it.

Adrian · 08-19-2012, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cprlaw

So I have this plane marked in my "saved searches" on Ebay because I would like to add it to my collection.

But for $135.00??!! Is this dude high or what? I could have it custom made for less than that. Go figure.

AEROCLASSICS HUGHES AIRWEST AIRLINES FOKKER F-27..VERY VERY RARE !!! | eBay

The problem is that some sellers do not know how an auction works and to encourage bidders, they need to start the item off at an attractive low price. Some people like to start the price off at what they 'think' it might make at the end of the auction, in the hope that it will only take one person to bid on it that desperately wants it! If it's a free listing weekend, he had nothing to lose, but when it continually fails to sell, he'll finally get the message that no one wants to pay that price and relist it at a much lower price, perhaps attracting two bidders that will outbid eachother and may eventually reach the original price. If all sellers realised this, they would sell far more models at realistic prices instead of trying to be greedy with just one.

cprlaw · 08-19-2012, 08:36 AM

I agree with you, Adrian.

I must say I am astonished at the reaction I have received to this post. I certainly didn't intend to criticize anyone who thinks $135 is a reasonable price to pay for a diecast model, although I myself wouldn't pay it, irrespective of my personal financial circumstances (which, while not great, would fortunately allow me to pay $135 for the model if I so chose). That's not the point.

The issue to me is that $135 seems like an awfully high price to pay for any one single model unless it is an exceedingly rare item. Moreover, part of the fun of collecting, for me anyway, is acquiring models I want for the best (read: lower) possible price. If people want to charge $1000 (and pay) for a model and think they can get it or afford to pay it, please go ahead - who am I to criticize the mechanisms of the mighty and sacrosanct free market?

Too bad this forum doesn't seem to accord the same respect to the marketplace of ideas. I frankly am amazed at the degree of ad hominem I have encountered here. And I thought collecting was supposed to be fun.

Garuda747400 · 08-19-2012, 08:45 AM

If you think it is too high, Why even add it to your watch list in the first place? This would only let the seller think somebody out there is seriously thinking about buying it.

I have paid 200-250usd for many model but with manufacturers releasing the same popular models these days then I don't pay that anymore but maybe new collectors would.

There is models I wouldn't pay 10usd for then models iat 200 that you wouldn't pay 10 for.

jcahea · 08-19-2012, 09:09 AM

Seller originally listed for $165.00 yesterday, dropped to $135.00, and has dropped yet again to $125.00.

joeli16 · 08-19-2012, 09:29 AM

If I were him, I would just start the auction at $9.99 and just let people bid. If it's rare, the price itself would go more than he wants I am sure.

JeffinMass · 08-19-2012, 09:32 AM

If you find what you are seeking, buy it today because it will be gone tomorrow

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You would probably charge the same if you were selling it.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cprlaw

And I thought collecting was supposed to be fun.

It is. Two hardcore collectors I know have never stepped foot in a diecast internet forum. Speaking of ad hominem, you're implying a man takes illicit party favors due to the fact that he has for sale an item you want for a price you're unwilling to pay. Hmmm

Some folks will actually pay that price to get a model they want. Doesn't make them "high" either. Some folks sell models for what is considered a ridiculously high price because that is what it would take to make them let go of it. Sometimes both parties run into each other on ebay and leave very happy.

BTW, I will sell you my RW F-27 for $500.00 and $100.00 s/h to Montreal. That includes an insured package.

gospodin · 08-19-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joeli16

If I were him, I would just start the auction at $9.99 and just let people bid. If it's rare, the price itself would go more than he wants I am sure.

So what happens if it doesn't?

jcahea · 08-19-2012, 12:23 PM

That is what reserves are for!

wu6fiend · 08-19-2012, 01:13 PM

Once the price goes beyond $50-$60 range, that's 1:200 territory, IMO.

I don't fault sellers for attempting to get the maximum for their models, but that price is unrealistic.

fazeman · 08-19-2012, 02:00 PM

It's an insane price tag.

aklein707 · 08-19-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wu6fiend

Once the price goes beyond $50-$60 range, that's 1:200 territory, IMO.

I don't fault sellers for attempting to get the maximum for their models, but that price is unrealistic.

I beg to differ!!

Once the price goes above the range you have indicated, for 1:400 or even 1:500, it proves that the item is a real collectible.
I can show you many a 1:200 model that won't even get $35; not because they are inferior in any way to others, but because they are mass produced toys, and not a true collectibles.

shandaken · 08-19-2012, 03:50 PM

I think I heard this before..."Like a fine wine, Aeroclassics improve with time"...It amazes me that some of these models are so sought-after. Maybe I am just getting old, but I remember all of these, like they were issued yesterday.

Todd Michaels · 08-19-2012, 04:43 PM

Whaaaat? Andrew Klein is on the line?? Says he's gonna release another Hughes Airwest F-27???

N. Eberhard · 08-19-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Michaels

Whaaaat? Andrew Klein is on the line?? Says he's gonna release another Hughes Airwest F-27???

Yes, and for a very reasonable $95 each. Get'em while you can!

Addressing the original post here, I can't figure out why people waste so much time posting gripes about the model prices that are seen on the secondary market. All the conjecture in the world won't change the situation, but contacting the seller via email with a reasonable offer just might get you that model at a price that you are comfortable with. Then you could post here about what a great score you got, rather than serving us a plate of sour grapes.

BTW, I keep seeing my dream car for sale on ebay and autotrader.com, but those greedy bastards are always asking more than I can afford to pay for it, and most certainly more than it is worth. Maybe there should be a separate forum here for stuff we all think is over-priced?

Kitty Hawk 1903 · 08-19-2012, 07:05 PM

It is simple to me,a model is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I guess I have been lucky,and payed new price for nearly every model I have,that is nearly 1000 in 200 and 400 scale. An example for me is the Hogan 1:200,Air Tahiti Nui A340. I have been offered it three times,each time at over $300.00 USD. I would love to have it,but it was my choice to decline at that price. It is still just a Hogan A340. The next person may jump at it for that price,that would be his/her choice.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

BTW, I keep seeing my dream car for sale on ebay and autotrader.com, but those greedy bastards are always asking more than I can afford to pay for it, and most certainly more than it is worth

Nick, trying to find a 1973 AMC Gremlin with the "X" package for under 10 Grand is a tall order indeed. You might have to drive your Pacer till the wheels fall off....but can I have your roof-mount licorice dispenser when you sell it?

gospodin · 08-20-2012, 12:23 AM

Wow, Nick, you have a Pacer? I'm so jealous! You should You-Tube a race with Dylan's Omni, that would be great.

N. Eberhard · 08-20-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dylan

....but can I have your roof-mount licorice dispenser when you sell it?

It will be on Ebay once I figure out whether it is worth $5, $500, or $5,000. Am I wrong thinking that the more zeros, the better, or does more zeroes just make me a greedy bastard? Cuz you know 5 g's would get me 50% closer to my dream purple colored Gremlin, which is 100% closer than I am today.

N. Eberhard · 08-20-2012, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

Wow, Nick, you have a Pacer? I'm so jealous! You should You-Tube a race with Dylan's Omni, that would be great.

I'm concerned that Dylan actually has the Shelby powered version that he ordered through the local Doge dealership sans turbo badges. But if he promised me that it was the regular version than hell ya I would race his azz and record my Pacer feeding him some good old fashioned blue smoke coming out of my ORIGINAL OEM rusted-out exhaust pipe. Then I would sell that OEM exhaust for at least 10 benjamins on ebay I think.

Fleetlordatvar · 08-21-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dylan

I'd pay $135 for it. But I have two. It IS rare and doesn't pop up for sale very often. If the guy was smart, hey would be high. The price of a model is whatever one is willing to pay. Don't be mad at the world because you're poor.

What a ****!

Fleetlordatvar · 08-21-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cprlaw

I agree with you, Adrian.

I must say I am astonished at the reaction I have received to this post. I certainly didn't intend to criticize anyone who thinks $135 is a reasonable price to pay for a diecast model, although I myself wouldn't pay it, irrespective of my personal financial circumstances (which, while not great, would fortunately allow me to pay $135 for the model if I so chose). That's not the point.

The issue to me is that $135 seems like an awfully high price to pay for any one single model unless it is an exceedingly rare item. Moreover, part of the fun of collecting, for me anyway, is acquiring models I want for the best (read: lower) possible price. If people want to charge $1000 (and pay) for a model and think they can get it or afford to pay it, please go ahead - who am I to criticize the mechanisms of the mighty and sacrosanct free market?

Too bad this forum doesn't seem to accord the same respect to the marketplace of ideas. I frankly am amazed at the degree of ad hominem I have encountered here. And I thought collecting was supposed to be fun.

Unfortunately there are jerks a plenty on this forum who spend a LOT of time on here stuck in a cycle of negativity...i encountered worse when i first tried to share my joy in staring my collection.

Fleetlordatvar · 08-21-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

....Addressing the original post here, I can't figure out why people waste so much time posting gripes about the model prices that are seen on the secondary market. All the conjecture in the world won't change the situation, but contacting the seller via email with a reasonable offer just might get you that model at a price that you are comfortable with. Then you could post here about what a great score you got, rather than serving us a plate of sour grapes....

He's serving us with a plate of sour grapes too, about people posting gripes!

joeli16 · 08-21-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

So what happens if it doesn't?

You can simply add a reserve price if you worry it doesn't go that far.

gospodin · 08-21-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by joeli16

You can simply add a reserve price if you worry it doesn't go that far.

I never bid on anything with a reserve price. A reserve just seems dishonest somehow.

Kitty Hawk 1903 · 08-21-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gospodin

I never bid on anything with a reserve price. A reserve just seems dishonest somehow.

I have heard of sellers having a friend place a high max bid,to ensure they don't give it away. Skip the reserve fee. Now that is dishonest.

gospodin · 08-21-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitty Hawk 1903

I have heard of sellers having a friend place a high max bid,to ensure they don't give it away. Skip the reserve fee. Now that is dishonest.

Yes it is, but hard to prove. There have always been shill bidders at any auction. I just think if you don't want to give it away, post the lowest price you're willing to sell it for to start the bid. If somebody wants it bad enough, they'll bid on it.

Thailand Wings · 08-22-2012, 04:09 AM

ahhh???? I sold some of my collection lower price than the price I purchased it just to give more space and purchase new ones but still having a lot of trouble getting rid of them....how's that? never even bothered to pursue a price bidding...

frontier737 · 08-22-2012, 01:27 PM

I have them and am willing to part with them. F-27s, DC-9s and 727s.