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Old 01-13-2012, 07:26 PM   #1
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What is the next new, innovative thing that you'd like to see a manufacturer include on their 1:400 models?

What started (for me at least) as GJ coming up with a great alternative to the 1:500 domination with their early 744s over 10 years ago has slowly developed into more accurate printing,outlined windows, better wing/body joins, more detailed cargo doors, rolling gears, printed radomes...

So what new innovation would you like to see next on 1:400 models?
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I want to see some more antenna's on 1:400 models.. but techniqallly this has already been made possible by the Phoenix 747-800 mould so i really don't know... maybe opening doors?
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I want to see some more antenna's on 1:400 models.. but techniqallly this has already been made possible by the Phoenix 747-800 mould so i really don't know... maybe opening doors?

I agree, I would LOVE to see some opening doors.
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Opening cargo doors, realistic retractable landing gear, functioning flaps, functioning rudder, steerable nose gear.
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I think having such small moving parts (cargo door/retractable gear) would create more QC problems for more collectors, however steerable nose gear should be easier to achieve in the 1:400 scale. Openable cargo doors and retractable landing gear would be more logical in the 1:200 scale
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Not to mention that adding those features would hike the price of the model up A LOT. 1:200 prices for a 1:400 model. No thank you.
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I would have no issues with paying more for a 1:400 model if there is a corresponding increase in detail, accuracy and quality.

However, in 1:400 scale I do not want any of the above listed, with the possible exception of antennas. What I want to see manufacturers get right, first of all, is the engines - shape of the cowlings, number and shape of fanblades, pylons etc. Is it really that difficult to get right?

Also, more accurate moulds would be preferable. Both Airbus and Boeing have Airplane Characteristics charts with all the detailed specifications (including dimensions) of their aircraft, so surely it can't be that hard to scale it down 400 times to produce an accurate model? (Yes, JC Wings, I'm looking at you, your 777s suck).
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I agree. Well is it really that hard for JC to use GJ's 777 mould and add rolling gears either? It seems like they are consistently stubborn and don't know what to do for their own and everyone's good. I think they have a sales advisor who is retarded.
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I would really like to see some models with extended flaps.

I like the antenna on the new Phoenix 747-8. I hope it spreads to other models.
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I wonder how the sales numbers are at JC..

But with Cargo I would like too see opening cargo doors, and some more antennas on the modells (at least the B777 and the B747 and A330 / 340 and the A380)..
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Glass cockpit windows. Fully featured cabin interiors. APUs that sparkle.
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I do not think it is unreasonable to see in the future models with retractable landing gears. Aero Minis had them 40 years ago, though they were about 1/200.
But these are times of crisis...
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Never mind new innovations, how about phoenix go back to basics and get the colours right, fix there shocking landing gears and research liverys.

There latest feck up appears to be the indonesian logo on there new A330 release
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Never mind new innovations, how about phoenix go back to basics and get the colours right, fix there shocking landing gears and research liverys.

There latest feck up appears to be the indonesian logo on there new A330 release
You mean the Garuda A330 has a problem? Please elaborate. I was planning to buy it.
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As for innovation, I wish the advancement of moulds particularly in the metal wings and stabilizers of many 1/400 models offered / created a new generation of 1/400 models. Wings and its edges, especially winglets are too thick and makes the model appear too toy like. This can be found on 737's, which is probably my favorite of the smaller aircraft. Also the engines, where the fan blades are too far up, should be deeper in the nacelle of the engine. Many of these flaws are found on 737's and 747's. Also an advancement in the making of wheels, are better represented. I know this is much to ask for in such a small scale, but I think this would win many collectors who have migrated into 1/200.
I sure miss buying multiple models at a time and at a far lower price .
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You mean the Garuda A330 has a problem? Please elaborate. I was p
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Very small detail but I was told by a friend in indonesia that the indonesia logo below the cockpit windows is the old logo but the 1:1 aircraft has the new indonesian logo.

I will elaborate more when I get info from my friend exactly how the logo is different from old - new, the guy must have had his microscope out to see the fault
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Very small detail but I was told by a friend in indonesia that the indonesia logo below the cockpit windows is the old logo but the 1:1 aircraft has the new indonesian logo.

I will elaborate more when I get info from my friend exactly how the logo is different from old - new, the guy must have had his microscope out to see the fault
Someone should try letting this be made known to PHX through Facebook if it's really wrong
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Not to mention that adding those features would hike the price of the model up A LOT. 1:200 prices for a 1:400 model. No thank you.
..... I think the prices for 1/400 are getting close to 1/200 prices as it is.

..... Innovation? Get rid of one. Get rid of those juvenile "rolling gear". You want to roll your 1/400 models around that cost $30, $40, $50 or more for, you must be a five year old. I've seen plenty of pictures of people having their models in display cabinets/shelves, but only that retard GeminiJetz kid pushing models around like cheap toys.
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Someone should try letting this be made known to PHX through Facebook if it's really wrong
Its not going to change the issue with the 600 packaged and shipped models going around the world right now. Phoenix need to learn its not just a choice of livery that dictates sales but how well a model is finished.

Do phoenix get the right sales figures on the poipularity of royal brunei when they make it orange.

Do they get correct sales figures on a blue cathay pacific, I guess only a few of the orders will drop because most people are putting up with the mistakes.

Phoenix take all the credit on there release choices but won't answer to production issues.

I will still buy the garuda a330 because its so small a logo and I have indonesian family. But for people who have limited money to buy this model or another the imperfection could sway if they bought this model or not.
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I'd like more realistic looking landing gear, but static so that they don't fall off as much. Quite why Dragon Wings still go with the most unrealistic, toy-like gear in 1:400 after all these years, I'll never know.

I wonder if glass/plastic cockpit screens similar to those available in kit models, could be a good innovation with the diecast mould cut to suit ? I imagine that would look great but could be difficult to acheive with some of the smaller moulds. Maybe the bigger jets could adopt this feature ?

Realistic spinning fan blades are cool, but not doubt push the construction price up.

As others have said, better quality control and attention to detail within current manufacturing terms would probably be the best 'innovation' of all.
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No one mentioned the ERJ family yet?
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1/ Realistic glass/cockpit screens require hollowing out the forward part of the aircraft, hence, they will all fall on their tails; no thanks!! If to hollow out the rear end to balance, then it will be required to have a 2-part body, and THAT UGLY SEAM where they join together; no thanks!!

2/ Opening doors or cargo doors will require a "hinge mechanism", which is not possible without the "toylike appearance" and ugly seams; no thanks!!

3/ Spinning fan blades in 1:400 scale are not possible, if to be accurate. I've seen them on some models, and they make the model look like a toy; no thanks!!

4/ The evolution of the landing gear, going from Schabak & Herpa's out of scale monster rolling tires, to scaled down more accurate gear, to the current almost to scale rolling tires has their plus and minus. AC has closer to scale rolling tires, but some lack the silver hubs and other features. JC has those out-of-scale oversized "off-road" tires on some of their models which make them a deal killer. Then there are others in between.

What I'd like to eventually see, is the happy medium, in respect of landing gear.

But as Big Al correctly states above,
"better quality control and attention to detail within current manufacturing terms would probably be the best 'innovation' of all".

Thanks Big Al !!
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I am not keen on any extra moving parts either as they'll just lead to more broken models on arrival and over time. Rolling gears are already a serious annoyance. Not only are they often over or undersized but they the tyres tend to fall off. I have had several models where the wheels are constantly falling off and sticking on such small items is not easy. Plus as several have said the rolling gears serve no purpose. They are just a gimmick.
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Not many more new innovations can be done in 400 scale while keeping the models looking decent. I would like some simple "old" techniques returned however like the printing of ' CUT HERE IN EMERGENCY' on the fuselage and the 'NO STEP' on the wings.
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Yes I agree with Ely707 on his/her point. As for landing gear,I think that the L/G on both Aeroclassics/Phoenix are great and look more realistic than earlier models. Especially now that the forward L/G is slightly smaller than the main.
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What I'd like to eventually see, is the happy medium, in respect of landing gear.

But as Big Al correctly states above,
"better quality control and attention to detail within current manufacturing terms would probably be the best 'innovation' of all".

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You're welcome and yes that would perhaps be my ideal innovation in terms of gears too.
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Never mind new innovations, how about phoenix go back to basics and get the colours right, fix there shocking landing gears and research liverys.

There latest feck up appears to be the indonesian logo on there new A330 release

Not to mention paint details and other model details like th ebnt wing issue being discussed before in post. I wish they got a littl ebit bette ron their Qa and got their basic stuff correct
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1/ Realistic glass/cockpit screens require hollowing out the forward part of the aircraft, hence, they will all fall on their tails; no thanks!! If to hollow out the rear end to balance, then it will be required to have a 2-part body, and THAT UGLY SEAM where they join together; no thanks!!

2/ Opening doors or cargo doors will require a "hinge mechanism", which is not possible without the "toylike appearance" and ugly seams; no thanks!!

3/ Spinning fan blades in 1:400 scale are not possible, if to be accurate. I've seen them on some models, and they make the model look like a toy; no thanks!!

4/ The evolution of the landing gear, going from Schabak & Herpa's out of scale monster rolling tires, to scaled down more accurate gear, to the current almost to scale rolling tires has their plus and minus. AC has closer to scale rolling tires, but some lack the silver hubs and other features. JC has those out-of-scale oversized "off-road" tires on some of their models which make them a deal killer. Then there are others in between.

What I'd like to eventually see, is the happy medium, in respect of landing gear.

But as Big Al correctly states above,
"better quality control and attention to detail within current manufacturing terms would probably be the best 'innovation' of all".

Thanks Big Al !!
I agree, the 1:400 scale is too small to make any of these changes worth paying for.

The best improvement is to work on the quality of what's currently being produced; eg the rolling wheels - too delicate, or get rid of them.
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The innovation of introducing a Nazi-like army group who is destined to do their business on any manufactures making dumb-witted flaws (careless mis-prints, poor QC etc). All at service for the die cast community!
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The innovation of introducing a Nazi-like army group who is destined to do their business on any manufactures making dumb-witted flaws (careless mis-prints, poor QC etc). All at service for the die cast community!
Wow, you're cruel.
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One very simple thing... antennas. Look at the Phoenix 747-8i and how cool that model is with its antennas. It made a lot of the 1:200 crowd suddenly sit up and have another look at 1:400.
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All that hype about the 748i. Should I buy the sunrise one from Phoenix too?
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Hype? How dare you!

I have the Sunrise from Phoenix and it's one of my fave 'wouldn't part with it' models. Has some issues. But every model does! It sits on my desk at work and gets immense amounts of attention. People seem to think it has both beauty and presence. Weird, but there you go!
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..... I think the prices for 1/400 are getting close to 1/200 prices as it is.

..... Innovation? Get rid of one. Get rid of those juvenile "rolling gear". You want to roll your 1/400 models around that cost $30, $40, $50 or more for, you must be a five year old. I've seen plenty of pictures of people having their models in display cabinets/shelves, but only that retard GeminiJetz kid pushing models around like cheap toys.
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4/ The evolution of the landing gear, going from Schabak & Herpa's out of scale monster rolling tires, to scaled down more accurate gear, to the current almost to scale rolling tires has their plus and minus. AC has closer to scale rolling tires, but some lack the silver hubs and other features. JC has those out-of-scale oversized "off-road" tires on some of their models which make them a deal killer. Then there are others in between.

What I'd like to eventually see, is the happy medium, in respect of landing gear.
The happy medium would be to do away with rolling tires and revert to fixed gear that can be relied upon to stay in place. These are accurate scale models and not toys and I was quite happy with them before these were introduced. Don't need any more 'innovations' as anything changed/added would destroy the accuracy we enjoy today, not to mention push the price up. JC tried adding antennae and they ended up looking like reindeer antlers! Whatever next, jet engine noises, flashing lights....no thanks!
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Properly sized antenna, sat. domes, and (if possible) clear/jeweled beacons could go a long way. Nicer gear...looking at you DW...would be nice as well. It would be a lovely day if DW were to ever ditch their current gear on their 747s for something more detailed. Its my only complaint of their wonderful 747.

Stuff like clear cockpits, clear passenger windows, opening doors, spinning blades (dont get why people get off on these)....pass.

Those things would take way too much engineering to get right. You would have to deal with seam lines, hinges....even everyone's precious Herpa Premium models have viable seams and empty cabin flaws.

It would be nice to see models with extended flaps, I'm not talking movable surfaces...properly molded extended flaps.
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I would be happy for the following:

1/ no more join lines
2/ better QC
3/ more printed detail, as PHX is doing (radomes, access panels, reversers etc)
4/ new moulds from GJ for its 777s (maybe use PHX's???)
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:05 AM   #39
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No need for GJ to change their mold. They just need new landing gears.
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Old 01-16-2012, 07:13 AM   #40
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Well to get rid of that huge wing join seam they'll need a new mould...and their engine pylons are not as good as PHX. That 777 mould must be 10 years old now.
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The biggest innovation I want to see in 1:400 is the inaugural of the E-190 JET! Get with the program. MANY say AYE with me! I've seen great looking ones like my beloved COPA, TACA, JETBLUE, Flybe, AIR CANADA, AZUUUUUUUUUUUL!!!! I love Azul's colors! USAirways is very sharp looking. Sleek and sexy. . . .AEROMEXICO CONNECT!
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I'd like to see seamless moulds and improved printing. Other than that, I'm perfectly satisfied with the detail in my 1/400 collection right now and the price in which I pay for each model. I enjoy 1/400 over other scales because it is much less expensive and the detail is suprisingly accurate given its size.

(If I could add 1 new feature though, I'd add antenna and satellite domes to existing moulds.)
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I just want to see B737´s and A319/320/321 with rolling gears know!
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