what?! cracked rubber wheels?

B-16707 · 09-07-2007, 02:39 AM

i picked up my hogan ground 787 today to dust it off and look what i found...

sorry for the blurry pics as i was in a rush to take the pics and didnt want to tripod mount my camera. ill take clear ones when i file a complaint to herpa

why would my wheels be like this...no i dont play with my models. it has just been sitting here on my desk since i got it 2 months ago

Carlos Perea · 09-07-2007, 02:55 AM

Maybe playing with them really is a good idea?

D-AIHC · 09-07-2007, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaitanium

why would my wheels be like this...

Your model was used for the rejected take-off test before it was sent to you.

B-16707 · 09-07-2007, 03:45 PM

i bet those who have the KLM a330 and 748 will have the same problem...

D-AIHC · 09-07-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kaitanium

i bet those who have the KLM a330 and 748 will have the same problem...

I might have to check the KL A332 model before I purchase it. You can always replace them with the retrofit set, which I in my opinion, looks better.

B-16707 · 09-07-2007, 04:08 PM

i can but its that front wheel that im always uneasy about since its smaller.

D-AIHC · 09-07-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaitanium

i can but its that front wheel that im always uneasy about since its smaller.

Sorry, but you can always try the Hogan landing gear set for B787.

B-16707 · 09-07-2007, 04:41 PM

yea i will. its the same deal anyways and i bet it will crack again. i might as well complain and try to get it for free. i got nothing really to lose

Mystère · 09-07-2007, 07:31 PM

Looks like rubber was in contact with some stuff it was not supposed to (maybe solvant on the gear).

B-16707 · 09-07-2007, 07:41 PM

more like a plastic folding table!

jasonsw · 09-07-2007, 08:49 PM

i've seen many of the planes with same problem.

Herpa 1/200 B747-8 plastic with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic.

Herpa 1/200 B727-100 diecast with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic.

Phoenix 1/200 B737-400 diecast with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic.

I suspect that Starjets and Risesoon will have similar problems too.

I find that Herpa Premium and retrofit wheels have not had these problems just yet.

cheers!

Dr. Edmund H. Carus · 09-08-2007, 09:51 AM

I can speak with my scientific hat on. The "cracked" tyres are due to poorly compounded "rubber" material. Ask for replacement wheels! Contact with plastic etc (unless hot or possibly greasy) will have NO EFFECT on the propensity for these defects.

Cheers!

NYCAAer · 09-08-2007, 11:31 AM

I haven't bought any 787 models yet... I didn't realize the Hogan 787 had rubber wheels. Is this a trend for all new Hogans or just for the 787?

I think the plastic wheels are just fine anyway, even though my Inflight 200s have rubber wheels.

B-16707 · 09-08-2007, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYCAAer

I haven't bought any 787 models yet... I didn't realize the Hogan 787 had rubber wheels. Is this a trend for all new Hogans or just for the 787?

I think the plastic wheels are just fine anyway, even though my Inflight 200s have rubber wheels.

i think it just might start to be a trend on all new herpa models with these wheels such as their KLM a330, 748, etc

btw regular wheels are metal, not plastic

D-AIHC · 09-08-2007, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaitanium

i think it just might start to be a trend on all new herpa models with these wheels such as their KLM a330, 748, etc

And the HE IR A300-600 too!

johnhung · 09-11-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonsw

i've seen many of the planes with same problem.

Herpa 1/200 B747-8 plastic with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic.

I suspect that Starjets and Risesoon will have similar problems too.

I find that Herpa Premium and retrofit wheels have not had these problems just yet.

I'm afraid even Herpa premium has this kind of problem. My B747 Herp "Lord of the rings" is almost kept in the box but also suffered.

sven the flying dutchman · 09-12-2007, 10:52 AM

when did you bought it ? i dont have probLens yet

johnhung · 09-12-2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sven the flying dutchman

when did you bought it ? i dont have probLens yet

I bought it on January 2006. Photo is attached for your reference.

B-16707 · 09-12-2007, 11:59 AM

you can email herpa and ask for replacement premium wheels

Graham Bridges · 09-13-2007, 01:06 PM

This cracked tyre business is interesting. It looks like the tyre material is shrinking, or drying out in some way. Surely this really is a manufacturing fault that the factory need to sort out. Will happen to every tyre ever fitted or just those unlucky enough to have tyres from a bad batch ?

There is/was a diecast toy manufacturer in France called Solido. At one time their vinyl tyres started to melt the ABS plastic wheel hubs on the models. Horrible mess !

Will aircraft model manufacturers offer free tyres through the retailers or do you have to contact the factory direct ?

B-16707 · 09-13-2007, 01:29 PM

gotta contact factory direct...in this case herpa.

wings777 · 09-13-2007, 07:52 PM

The plague of cracked wheels has hit Seattle. All of my 748 gear is cracked (and with my colllection, thats my best model...), though its been on its stand all the time. Bad rubber then. johnhung, that looks pretty bad with it cracking all the way through. Are most people having that much happen?

B-16707 · 09-15-2007, 04:57 AM

herpa reported back that they have a "new batch" of wheels coming in soon. whether this is a new type of rubber or just another shipment of this old stuff, i dont know...still waiting for reply

Dr. Edmund H. Carus · 09-15-2007, 08:15 AM

As I've said the composition (the compounding mix) for the "rubber" is incorrect and inexcuseable!! "Cracking" etc indicates possibly low plasticizer contents. Write to the model mfrer as this is a crass error on their part.

Can it be fixed? Yes of course, if the compounding is done properly and QC parameters are made and adhered to.

Cheers!

Graham Bridges · 09-15-2007, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaitanium

gotta contact factory direct...in this case herpa.

That may be the manufacturers official line, but here in UK and I would guess also The European Union, its the retailer who sold you the product and in law its the retailer who is responsible for his sales contract with you, and, therefore its the retailer who is responsible for supplying "goods that are of merchantable quality".

Adhering strictly to the letter of the law the retailer (in the UK) is responsible for repairing or exchanging the goods.

Don't know about U.S.law though.

09-07-2007, 02:39 AM	#1
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	what?! cracked rubber wheels? i picked up my hogan ground 787 today to dust it off and look what i found... sorry for the blurry pics as i was in a rush to take the pics and didnt want to tripod mount my camera. ill take clear ones when i file a complaint to herpa why would my wheels be like this...no i dont play with my models. it has just been sitting here on my desk since i got it 2 months ago __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882 Last edited by B-16707; 09-07-2007 at 02:44 AM.

09-07-2007, 02:55 AM	#2
Carlos Perea Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 815	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? Maybe playing with them really is a good idea?

09-07-2007, 03:45 PM	#4
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? i bet those who have the KLM a330 and 748 will have the same problem... __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-07-2007, 04:08 PM	#6
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? i can but its that front wheel that im always uneasy about since its smaller. __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-07-2007, 04:41 PM	#8
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? yea i will. its the same deal anyways and i bet it will crack again. i might as well complain and try to get it for free. i got nothing really to lose __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-07-2007, 07:31 PM	#9
Mystère Mercure 100 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Midway between Omaha Beach and Paris. Age: 38 Posts: 1,102	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? Looks like rubber was in contact with some stuff it was not supposed to (maybe solvant on the gear). __________________

09-07-2007, 07:41 PM	#10
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? more like a plastic folding table! __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-07-2007, 08:49 PM	#11
jasonsw MAKE 7 UP YOURS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Torrance, CA Age: 28 Posts: 1,122	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? i've seen many of the planes with same problem. Herpa 1/200 B747-8 plastic with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic. Herpa 1/200 B727-100 diecast with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic. Phoenix 1/200 B737-400 diecast with rubber wheels have same problem and those also melt when in contact with plastic. I suspect that Starjets and *Risesoon* will have similar problems too. I find that Herpa Premium and *retrofit* wheels have not had these problems just yet. cheers! __________________ Jason S.W. Airport Diorama Under Construction List of My Collection View Jason's Fleet Newest Arrivals

09-08-2007, 09:51 AM	#12
Dr. Edmund H. Carus Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK/Germany Posts: 801	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? I can speak with my scientific hat on. The "cracked" tyres are due to poorly compounded "rubber" material. Ask for replacement wheels! Contact with plastic etc (unless hot or possibly greasy) will have NO EFFECT on the propensity for these defects. Cheers! __________________ Edmund (now UK/IOM residency)

09-08-2007, 11:31 AM	#13
NYCAAer Senior Collector Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: New York Posts: 284	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? I haven't bought any 787 models yet... I didn't realize the Hogan 787 had rubber wheels. Is this a trend for all new Hogans or just for the 787? I think the plastic wheels are just fine anyway, even though my Inflight 200s have rubber wheels. __________________ *+ROUTE OF THE ASTROJETS+* Kevin

09-12-2007, 10:52 AM	#17
sven the flying dutchman Collector Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: naerby amsterdam Age: 16 Posts: 83	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? when did you bought it ? i dont have probLens yet __________________

09-12-2007, 11:59 AM	#19
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? you can email herpa and ask for replacement premium wheels __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-13-2007, 01:06 PM	#20
Graham Bridges Senior Collector Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Berkshire UK Posts: 363	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? This cracked tyre business is interesting. It looks like the tyre material is shrinking, or drying out in some way. Surely this really is a manufacturing fault that the factory need to sort out. Will happen to every tyre ever fitted or just those unlucky enough to have tyres from a bad batch ? There is/was a diecast toy manufacturer in France called Solido. At one time their vinyl tyres started to melt the ABS plastic wheel hubs on the models. Horrible mess ! Will aircraft model manufacturers offer free tyres through the retailers or do you have to contact the factory direct ?

09-13-2007, 01:29 PM	#21
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? gotta contact factory direct...in this case herpa. __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-13-2007, 07:52 PM	#22
wings777 Junior Collector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Posts: 34	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? The plague of cracked wheels has hit Seattle. All of my 748 gear is cracked (and with my colllection, thats my best model...), though its been on its stand all the time. Bad rubber then. johnhung, that looks pretty bad with it cracking all the way through. Are most people having that much happen? __________________

09-15-2007, 04:57 AM	#23
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,264	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? herpa reported back that they have a "new batch" of wheels coming in soon. whether this is a new type of rubber or just another shipment of this old stuff, i dont know...still waiting for reply __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport want 1:200 B773ER details decals? for info check this out http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

09-15-2007, 08:15 AM	#24
Dr. Edmund H. Carus Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK/Germany Posts: 801	Re: what?! cracked rubber wheels? As I've said the composition (the compounding mix) for the "rubber" is incorrect and inexcuseable!! "Cracking" etc indicates possibly low plasticizer contents. Write to the model mfrer as this is a crass error on their part. Can it be fixed? Yes of course, if the compounding is done properly and QC parameters are made and adhered to. Cheers! __________________ Edmund (now UK/IOM residency)