Sabena

A question for the specialists.

I'm interested in the Sabena B727. As far as i understand the Hogan and Socatec ones are the same but, the one offered in the Aviation Megastore is a 'Phoenix'model, which looks the same.

Now my question: Aviationmegastore nor the Berlin Aviation Centre don't seem to offer the Hogan or Socatec, or are they selling that plane under the 'Phoenix'flag?

Any suggestions?

Thanks for any advice.

Phantom

My understanding is that castings from this mould appear un der both names, Herpa (LH, Hapag Lloyd) and Phoenix (Sabena, PA, TW..?) and maybe other brand names associated with them.

I'm only aware of a 1/200 Sabena 721 said to be a Phoenix release.

But did you ever see a Sabena old colors aircraft with blue titles?? I'm only aware of black.

jjorgemiami

I haven't seen this for sale anywhere in the U.S.. Has anyone? If so where?

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funbird

The Sabena titles should be black.

panam707

I noticed this too when I read the review of this model on this website and was able to get a look at it up close for the first time. It is such a shame to go to such effort on a model and miss such a terribly obvious characteristic, especially when the only people who are really going to buy it in the first place are collectors who will be mercilessly critical. I bet they'll have a lot of these sitting in boxes all over Europe.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0100469/L/

Sabena

Difficult to say. I will have to check again with some pics i have from Sabena-employees. However. On on another pic (OO-STD) you'd swear the titles are blue. Could be the picture.

However. I think te overall color is the problem. Sabena used to have a much darker blue on their planes then in the 80ties. Maybe that's why the blue titles stand out so much. Dark blue tends to black...

Will look it up though.
Thanks for the advice: as i see it, it's the same mould and if its the Herpa, it's highly recomendable.

Phantom

In many pictures black titles appear non-black to the eye, especially when surrounding paints are dark blue or green. South African's 1970's colors are a good example. The titles where always black - although this is barely vissible in many pictures. As a result, we got a 1/400 release with blue instead of black titles and logos.

I think those factories in China (or the folks doing the research) have a problem with telling dark green/blue colors from black ones.
Sabena wouldn't be the first example:

1. BB400 South African 747-244B; blue titles instead of black
2. IF200 Alitalia DC-8-62; green titles instead of black
3. This Sabena 721

Here's a picture of OO-STD. I agree with you. It's damn hard to tell, but it certainly is not the same blue color as the cheatline. This appearance of what I consider black may be a result of JPEG compression and/or lighting (?)
http://www.al-airliners.be/s/sabena/sabena1/sn727ca.jpg

But everybody is welcomed to show me a Sabena aircraft with blue titles - I'm no Sabena expert, just haven't seen one yet and can't stand wrong colors on an otherwise nice looking model.

Finally, a picture of OO-STA (the Phoenix model) - with a little photoshop treatment to work out the blue/black differences.

JustPlaneCrazy

Well, the titles may be wrong, black, blue......I always hope for a correct model but I still love this thing, right or wrong......keeping things in perspective, it's only a $40some model......I spend more than that on dinner......

Nobbe

A bit (but only slightly) off topic:

What are Phoenix´ plans in respect to other moulds, esp. aircraft types that are not yet covered by other modelmakers?

I think of most Russian planes, CV880 / 990, Vickers VC10, B747SP, etc.

Greetings Nobbe

Phantom

Nobbe, your suggestions are great!
I'm hoping for somebody to do an A300B2/B4 mould in Inflight200 quality, followed by 707-120/320/420 and 720 (non-B) moulds.


But did Phoenix ever have their own moulds?
Well, it's hard to see behind who does what in this hobby, but as far as I can see, "Phoenix" labeled releases either used old (and sometimes re-tooled) Tucano moulds or GJ's in 1/400 and this 721 in 1/200.

I remember a 1/200 (1/250?) DC-3 as well under the Phoenix label. What was the story behind this?

Sabena

Absolutely right.

I did some homework last night and might have come up with the mixup. Old colors upto 1972 were indeed black and certainly not in the same color as the cheatline.

As of 1973, the taillogo changed (S went in circle) and planes got the caracteristic bold blue SABENA lettering. Probably, due to the lack of good earlier color pics, they just copied the wrong blue of the letters from an later color scheme. According to some old Sabeniens, the entire color blue seems too light...

It remains a great mould and model though, but being an Phoenix-release it costs about the double of the price in Europe (59 € excluding transportcharges) for which price i want a 100% correct plane, colors included. a pity!

crownvic

This is not a Phoenix model it is a Hogan model....

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Dai Phan

Hi all,

Where can I buy this model? DP