Phoenix 1:200

Sascha · 10-28-2005, 02:36 PM

I had heard rumours of an ATL.98 Carvair but it seems that Phoenix will start with a Boeing 727-031 (as already posted into the new models forum) into the 1:200 market. Looks like the Herpa/Hogan mold.

see: http://www.phoenix-model.net/np1.html

Model : B727-100
Scale : 1:200
Airline : Pan American
Register No : N357PA

Model : B727-100
Scale : 1:200
Airline : Trans World
Register No : N839TW

brgds Sascha

JETJHD · 10-28-2005, 06:37 PM

Nice! I really like the TWA version!

polar*one · 10-28-2005, 08:57 PM

What livery is the TWA? That link is not working for me.

thanx

JETJHD · 10-28-2005, 11:35 PM

The TWA livery is the 80s twin stripe.

TWALOVER · 10-28-2005, 11:36 PM

Very hot looking. Are these all metal models (like the Herpa)?

jjorgemiami · 10-29-2005, 01:54 AM

Yum yum yum!!!

David Hingtgen · 10-29-2005, 03:33 AM

Gah, aft cargo door's printed on. We always complain, the manufacturers never fix it. It's not a deal-killer, but it is annoying. If they'd simply LOOK at a photo of a -100, they just might realize that there's absolutely nothing there, and stop printing non-existent doors.

They do get "hey, wow" points for actually having the right tail logo on the PAA plane.

I do wonder about the use of grey paint on the TW's wings. I can't find any good pics of TW 721 wings in twin-stripes, but I would not expect that is how it was. TW's -100's were delivered with bare wings w/corogard.

JETJHD · 10-30-2005, 03:44 AM

This photo shows an aft cargo door.

Flying Ace · 10-30-2005, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sascha

I had heard rumours of an ATL.98 Carvair but it seems that Phoenix will start with a Boeing 727-031 (as already posted into the new models forum) into the 1:200 market. Looks like the Herpa/Hogan mold.

It is the Herpa mould Sascha! Rumours of these models began curculating back in May and as a little bit of history, the metal Herpa 1:200 727 that Herpa has been using was previously made for Starjets. When Starjets changed factories, this mould ended up with Herpa, who is currently using the former Gemini/Starjets factory.

However, additional tooling has been returned to those who originally commissioned it and these releases are being now seen are those being releaed under the Phoenix name.

Looks like for collectors we will see many good use issues of the 721 in 200 scale...finally...so long as prices are reasonable! I look for the FLY EASTERN and EAL hockeystick, personally!

DLmd11 · 10-30-2005, 12:13 PM

Good find on the photo JETJHD.

I agree the FLY EASTERN 727-100 would be great to see along with the delivery colors of TW, UA, CO, DL, we can go on.

But it is nice to see someone else capturing the 1/200 scale with new entries.

I look forward to more.

Mike777 · 10-30-2005, 01:57 PM

The printing on these models looks much better than the Herpa releases IMO. Especially on the TWA. Niiiiiice!

DINO · 10-30-2005, 02:51 PM

Are these models 100% metal? Will they produced in a limited quantity?

David Hingtgen · 10-30-2005, 05:16 PM

JetJHD---look closely. The 721 has the same aft cargo door system as the shorter members of the 707 family. It is ONLY visible WHEN OPEN. Why? Because it's covered by the wing body fairing. The entire aft wing body fairing splits apart and slides aft on rails, exposing the door behind it. When the fairing isn't open, the door is absolutely utterly invisible because the wing-body fairing covers it completely.

Take a cose look at the photo---you can see the aft part of the wing body fairing has separated and moved aft, as it is further aft than normal. After the door closes, the wing-body fairing will slide forward into its normal position, covering the door completely without a trace of its existence.

If someone wants to model a 721 with the door visible, they better cut the wing body fairing into several pieces and move the parts around.

A few 721's from SMA were about the only ones to get this right, and it was much-discussed when they came out.

Here's a pic of one where I've marked the latch/controls for the wing-body fairing, as well as the panel line where it separates to move aft. Also marked the location of the hidden cargo door behind the fairing. When the fairing slides aft a couple of feet, it reveals the cargo door, as in the photo a few posts ago.

David Hingtgen · 10-30-2005, 05:24 PM

Of course I find a good photo AFTER I post all that.

Here, this shows really well how the fairing splits and moves aft to reveal the door hidden behind it. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/422443/L

The 727-200 (and larger 707's) of course has your more common aft cargo door, which is built into the fairing itself like most airliners.

polar*one · 10-30-2005, 06:07 PM

Thank you for posting the upcoming model photos, I appreciate it. The original link began working again as well. Can anyone provide direction on these Phoenix models? When I can expect them to be available? A general price range? A reliable source and method to add to my collection? Thank you for your time in advance.

Hapag-Lloyd · 10-30-2005, 06:11 PM

Are these licensed?

flieger · 10-30-2005, 07:03 PM

The retail price in Germany for the Phoenix models will be prox. 15,- Euro higher than Herpa. Are there any benefits of the Phoenix models to give these higher prices a reason? Limited edition?

KSO Models · 10-30-2005, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polar*one

Thank you for posting the upcoming model photos, I appreciate it. The original link began working again as well. Can anyone provide direction on these Phoenix models? When I can expect them to be available? A general price range? A reliable source and method to add to my collection? Thank you for your time in advance.

KSO Airline Models will be getting these models and I am sure other retailers who sell Phoenix 1:400 models will get these as well.

JETJHD · 10-31-2005, 01:28 AM

David, thanks for clarifying the aft door. I can see now why they shouldn't have printed it on the model.

DINO · 10-31-2005, 09:51 AM

Will they have rolling tires? Does anyone know how many will be produced?

jetstar · 10-31-2005, 10:11 AM

I promised myself I would refrain from these damn 1:200 models!!

I'd love to see a N A T I O N A L Sun King!

jjorgemiami · 11-01-2005, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetstar

I'd love to see a N A T I O N A L Sun King!

Yea, what he said!

Sascha · 11-02-2005, 03:37 AM

Check out this thread in the preferred retailers section: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ad.php?t=47594

brgds Sascha

TWALOVER · 11-02-2005, 01:00 PM

When are these models scheduled to be released?

10-28-2005, 02:36 PM	#1
Sascha DAC Team Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 665	Phoenix 1:200 I had heard rumours of an ATL.98 Carvair but it seems that Phoenix will start with a Boeing 727-031 (as already posted into the new models forum) into the 1:200 market. Looks like the Herpa/Hogan mold. see: http://www.phoenix-model.net/np1.html Model : B727-100 Scale : 1:200 Airline : Pan American Register No : N357PA Model : B727-100 Scale : 1:200 Airline : Trans World Register No : N839TW brgds Sascha

10-29-2005, 01:54 AM	#6
jjorgemiami Complete Wacko! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MIAMI Age: 47 Posts: 5,870	Yum yum yum!!! __________________ Fly United Airlines we are R I S I N G !

10-29-2005, 03:33 AM	#7
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,055	Gah, aft cargo door's printed on. We always complain, the manufacturers never fix it. It's not a deal-killer, but it is annoying. If they'd simply LOOK at a photo of a -100, they just might realize that there's absolutely nothing there, and stop printing non-existent doors. They do get "hey, wow" points for actually having the right tail logo on the PAA plane. I do wonder about the use of grey paint on the TW's wings. I can't find any good pics of TW 721 wings in twin-stripes, but I would not expect that is how it was. TW's -100's were delivered with bare wings w/corogard. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!* Last edited by David Hingtgen; 10-29-2005 at 03:35 AM.

10-30-2005, 05:16 PM	#13
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,055	JetJHD---look closely. The 721 has the same aft cargo door system as the shorter members of the 707 family. It is ONLY visible WHEN OPEN. Why? Because it's covered by the wing body fairing. The entire aft wing body fairing splits apart and slides aft on rails, exposing the door behind it. When the fairing isn't open, the door is absolutely utterly invisible because the wing-body fairing covers it completely. Take a cose look at the photo---you can see the aft part of the wing body fairing has separated and moved aft, as it is further aft than normal. After the door closes, the wing-body fairing will slide forward into its normal position, covering the door completely without a trace of its existence. If someone wants to model a 721 with the door visible, they better cut the wing body fairing into several pieces and move the parts around. A few 721's from SMA were about the only ones to get this right, and it was much-discussed when they came out. Here's a pic of one where I've marked the latch/controls for the wing-body fairing, as well as the panel line where it separates to move aft. Also marked the location of the hidden cargo door behind the fairing. When the fairing slides aft a couple of feet, it reveals the cargo door, as in the photo a few posts ago. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!*

10-30-2005, 05:24 PM	#14
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,055	Of course I find a good photo AFTER I post all that. Here, this shows really well how the fairing splits and moves aft to reveal the door hidden behind it. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/422443/L The 727-200 (and larger 707's) of course has your more common aft cargo door, which is built into the fairing itself like most airliners. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!* Last edited by David Hingtgen; 10-30-2005 at 05:25 PM.

10-28-2005, 06:37 PM	#2
JETJHD Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Victoria, BC Age: 38 Posts: 394	Nice! I really like the TWA version!

10-28-2005, 08:57 PM	#3
polar*one Collector of FLOWN ON Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 13	What livery is the TWA? That link is not working for me. thanx

10-28-2005, 11:35 PM	#4
JETJHD Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Victoria, BC Age: 38 Posts: 394	The TWA livery is the 80s twin stripe.

10-28-2005, 11:36 PM	#5
TWALOVER space cadet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 722	Very hot looking. Are these all metal models (like the Herpa)?

10-30-2005, 03:44 AM	#8
JETJHD Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Victoria, BC Age: 38 Posts: 394	This photo shows an aft cargo door.

10-30-2005, 12:13 PM	#10
DLmd11 Master Collector Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: suburb of chicago Posts: 728	Good find on the photo JETJHD. I agree the FLY EASTERN 727-100 would be great to see along with the delivery colors of TW, UA, CO, DL, we can go on. But it is nice to see someone else capturing the 1/200 scale with new entries. I look forward to more.

10-30-2005, 01:57 PM	#11
Mike777 Insane Collector Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Houston/Longview Age: 20 Posts: 1,248	The printing on these models looks much better than the Herpa releases IMO. Especially on the TWA. Niiiiiice!

10-30-2005, 02:51 PM	#12
DINO Senior Collector Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 301	Are these models 100% metal? Will they produced in a limited quantity?

10-30-2005, 06:07 PM	#15
polar*one Collector of FLOWN ON Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 13	Thank you for posting the upcoming model photos, I appreciate it. The original link began working again as well. Can anyone provide direction on these Phoenix models? When I can expect them to be available? A general price range? A reliable source and method to add to my collection? Thank you for your time in advance.

10-30-2005, 06:11 PM	#16
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 2,433	Are these licensed? __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

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10-30-2005, 07:03 PM	#17
flieger Master Collector Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: DARMSTADT Age: 40 Posts: 523	The retail price in Germany for the Phoenix models will be prox. 15,- Euro higher than Herpa. Are there any benefits of the Phoenix models to give these higher prices a reason? Limited edition?

10-31-2005, 01:28 AM	#19
JETJHD Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Victoria, BC Age: 38 Posts: 394	David, thanks for clarifying the aft door. I can see now why they shouldn't have printed it on the model.

10-31-2005, 09:51 AM	#20
DINO Senior Collector Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 301	Will they have rolling tires? Does anyone know how many will be produced?

10-31-2005, 10:11 AM	#21
jetstar Senior Collector Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: FL Posts: 317	OH boy.... I promised myself I would refrain from these damn 1:200 models!! I'd love to see a N A T I O N A L Sun King!

11-02-2005, 03:37 AM	#23
Sascha DAC Team Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 665	Check out this thread in the preferred retailers section: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...ad.php?t=47594 brgds Sascha

11-02-2005, 01:00 PM	#24
TWALOVER space cadet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 722	When are these models scheduled to be released?