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Old 01-22-2013, 01:14 PM   #1
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Gemini has announced a beautiful 1:200 KC-135 which translates into 707-120!





Wings, stabilizers, fuselage and wing/fuselage joint look absolutely perfect!

A big thank you goes to Gemini for their outstanding effort!
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Old 01-22-2013, 01:25 PM   #2
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SWEET!!!! that's a must buy for me and my military collection!
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Things are becoming very promising ! !

Thank you Scott.

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Temptations......temptations......
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Yes a proper early 707 finally ,I can convert one to Cyprus Aw B707-123B now.I have to find my tools now....

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Yup, a definite buy for me
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Nice idea on the 707-120 but will GJ supply the correct engines etc... ?
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The difference is such between a PW JT3 and a CFM 56 that we can expect to have the right engine ...

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Nice idea on the 707-120 but will GJ supply the correct engines etc... ?
I'll yank engines and pylons off something else if I have to Actually I'm confident Gemini has all kinds of plans for the basic mould. If and when a civilian 707 is released I wonder if it will be a "B" with fanjets or an original crackling smoke-belching straight-pipe? I also like that KC-135 very much... but I can't start collecting military... can I?
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Fuselage of Boeing 717 is not as wide as a 707.
So have we a correct mould (new)
or a fudged 707?
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... but I can't start collecting military... can I?
I think we know the answer to that! As we say in the UK, 'Go on, my son!'
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Yeah, go on then cheers gemini!
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[QUOTE=Prop-Jet Electra;1008040]I'll yank engines and pylons off something else if I have to Actually I'm confident Gemini has all kinds of plans for the basic mould. If and when a civilian 707 is released I wonder if it will be a "B" with fanjets or an original crackling smoke-belching straight-pipe? I also like that KC-135 very much... but I can't start collecting military... can I?[/QUOTE]

Sure you can. I have a PA 707 in my collection

It wouldn't surprise me if your right about Gemini releasing civilian 707 models as well.
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That looks pretty sweet! Good choice Gemini!
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Fuselage of Boeing 717 is not as wide as a 707.
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Not sure what a Boeing 717 has anything to do with this thread/model, but ok :-)
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Not sure what a Boeing 717 has anything to do with this thread/model, but ok :-)
717 is a Boeing 720, the 717 designation is the name sometimes given to an MD-95 a LONG time after the civil version of the 720 was called 717
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717 is a Boeing 720, the 717 designation is the name sometimes given to an MD-95 a LONG time after the civil version of the 720 was called 717
It also was the KC-135 initial designation. I don't know if GJ will release early 707s, I'm afraid they'll rather line-up as many KC-135s as they can. Now I hope future will prove me wrong...
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Not sure what a Boeing 717 has anything to do with this thread/model, but ok :-)
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It explains in detail the members of the Boeing Dash 80/KC-135/707/717 family. And, yes, the KC-135 does have a narrower fuselage than the 707/717 (it's 4" narrower). The fuselage width of the 707 was increased over that of the tanker to allow six abreast seating (as in the rival DC-8), I believe.
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Hello,
A number of years ago, I flew TDY on a KC-135 from George AFB (CA) to RAF Lakenheath (UK) with a refueling stop in Plattsburg AFB (NY). The things I remember most was having to sit on canvas seating and the floor being SO cold, I thought I'd have frostbite. The stop in Plattsburg (overnight) was fun, but the flights themselves were miserable. Someone obviously didn't like me, as my comrades were flown over on a Cat Y civilian flight, where at least they ate better than the "box nasties," thrown at us by the crew chief, and had music and a movie. This was before iPods, so any music on the "KC" was limited to another's boom box, and any movie would have only starred shadow hand puppets.
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Those pylons look like they're molded parts of the wing - but surely they're seperate pieces? If it is all one piece - and looking at the Pan American 707-121 photo - would orignal turbojets work with those pylons? Well this will be an interesting story to unfold over time.

I'm not real concerned with the fuselage width. Whatever the width, I like the way it looks in the photo. Damn... that KC-135 is sharp and it's reasonably priced too.
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I'm not real concerned with the fuselage width. Whatever the width, I like the way it looks in the photo. Damn... that KC-135 is sharp and it's reasonably priced too.
Yes, I'm not sure how much we'd realistically notice a 6" difference in width between the KC-135 and the 707 in 1:200?

What I do know is that the KC-135R looks way tasty! Nice work, GJ!
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Yes, I'm not sure how much we'd realistically notice a 6" difference in width between the KC-135 and the 707 in 1:200?

What I do know is that the KC-135R looks way tasty! Nice work, GJ!
x2. i am not really a military man, but it does look good. waffle is just $57 for these with discount. £36 approx!!! so interesting to see what ARD will be!!!
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Very nice. I look forward to adding one of these to my collection. I think sales of 1/200 F-16's and F-22's will be on the rise as well.

I am going to be a rivet counter here and ask... Is that nose wheel a bit too big?
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I'm not into military model at all - but I hope this mould will make many civil 720 (717) models possible!
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I'll yank engines and pylons off something else if I have to Actually I'm confident Gemini has all kinds of plans for the basic mould. If and when a civilian 707 is released I wonder if it will be a "B" with fanjets or an original crackling smoke-belching straight-pipe? I also like that KC-135 very much... but I can't start collecting military... can I?
Whoa, big fella . . .

Before you get too excited there, those engine pylons don't resemble anything like the ones on your signature image -- and -- from my angle, they look like they're moulded as part of the wing.

It may be some time before we see that 'Mercury 6' smokin' Pan American jobbie in our collections.



Military?? Nah . . . you don't want that sort of thing. BTW: Did you ever scoop that IF Astrojet 707?
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I am going to be a rivet counter here and ask... Is that nose wheel a bit too big?
They seem to be having a bit of a problem with that on their new stuff for some reason. The nosewheel on the A330 mould is too big, too. Part of the reason why the A330 doesn't have that signature nose down stance that the original has. It is 'fixable' to a point though.
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I wish they come up with a United bird one day!
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Look at those CFM-56 engines!. Now, if IF200 could lend Gemini their stretched DC-8 fuselage mold (or if Gemini could lend those CFM-56 engines to IF200) we could be nearing a very nice DC-8-71 or -73 model...just dreaming....
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Look at those CFM-56 engines!. Now, if IF200 could lend Gemini their stretched DC-8 fuselage mold (or if Gemini could lend those CFM-56 engines to IF200) we could be nearing a very nice DC-8-71 or -73 model...just dreaming....
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They will need separate pylons for JT3C turbojets and for JT3D turbofans. Also, any 707-120B other than AA will need a turbo compressor on the #4 engine.
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Well done GJ a fantastic release, does this mean they will be now producing different AFB's like they did with the C-17's......if so can we have a model from RAF mildenhall please....
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I don't collect military planes but if they release something wearing the colours of the Armée de l'Air, (French Air Force)...
Why not.

The same could apply to an accurate A 400 M.

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Fuselage of Boeing 717 is not as wide as a 707.
So have we a correct mould (new)
or a fudged 707?
That's my concern. It's not so much the dimensions as the shape---a 707 has the 'crease' at the floor line/double-bubble like all Boeing narrowbody airliners. The KC-135 does not, it's more like a simple oval/egg shape.

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A -120B would need completely new wings and tailplanes.
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It explains in detail the members of the Boeing Dash 80/KC-135/707/717 family. And, yes, the KC-135 does have a narrower fuselage than the 707/717 (it's 4" narrower). The fuselage width of the 707 was increased over that of the tanker to allow six abreast seating (as in the rival DC-8), I believe.
Here's another summary borrowed from here:
The KC135 and the 707 (David Lednicer)

The fuselage cross-sections of 367-80 (the series
prototype 'Dash 80'), the KC-135 and 707/720 are all different:

1) 367-80 has an upper lobe width of 132 inches and a fuselage
cross-sectional height of 164 inches.

2) The 717/KC-135 upper lobe is 144 inches wide and the height is 168
inches.

3) The 707 upper lobe is 148 inches wide and the height is 170.5 inches.

Additionally:

1) The KC-135 fuselage is the same length as 367-80's. The 707-138 and
720 are 20 inches longer, the 707-120 is 120 inches longer and the
707-320 and -420 are 200 inches longer.

2) The 707-120 has essentially the same wing as the KC-135 (and
367-80). The 720 has a glove over the root area of the inboard wing,
which increases the max cruise Mach number of the aircraft. The
707-320/-420 doesn't have this glove, but it has a root plug extending
the span and a different planform to the inboard wing area.
Additionally, it has a different tip planform and some of the wing
airfoils has been modified.

3) The type of Aluminum used in the construction of the KC-135 is
different than the 707 series. Sorry, I don't remember the alloy
numbers off the top of my head.

4) KC-135s first had J57s (JT3Cs) without thrust reversers. Some were
reengined with TF33s (JT3Ds) with thrust reversers (taken off of
scrapped 707s), while others got F108s (CFM56s), without thrust
reversers. 367-80 and all early 707s and 720s were powered by JT3Cs,
with thrust reversers. Most were reengined with JT3Ds, with thrust
reversers. 707-320s were powered by JT3Ds, while -420s were powered by
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Whoa, big fella . . .

Before you get too excited there, those engine pylons don't resemble anything like the ones on your signature image -- and -- from my angle, they look like they're moulded as part of the wing.

It may be some time before we see that 'Mercury 6' smokin' Pan American jobbie in our collections.

Military?? Nah . . . you don't want that sort of thing. BTW: Did you ever scoop that IF Astrojet 707?
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Maybe not.

If you look carefully at original picture, the fuselage does appear to have the "slab" sided appearance of a KC135 compared to the more circular cross section of the 707
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I usually do not collect military aircraft, but I have to buy this one! It looks great!
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Yes, I have to agree, it is a bit of a disappointment.

Given the facts, as they are presented to us here, it doesn't look good for an early 707, especially given that the pylons are moulded to the wings.

Now, has Gemini got a surprise up their sleeve with a second wing configuration that would allow an early 707? It is hard to say. I'd like to think that something like that does (or could) exist, but until we see physical evidence, well . . . here we are.

I guess we'll continue to wait.

An aside . . .
Many of us would like a model of the original Pan American 707-120, but did you know that Boeing assigned client suffix numbers to the orders? For instance, Pan American was the first, so the aircraft was really referred to as: 707-121. American Airline must have been third, as their versions were: 707-123. You can find this info (and a myriad of other mundane details) HERE.
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Is the fuselage length of this KC-135 about the same as a DC-9-51 ?
Anyone here to confirm ?
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