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Old 01-14-2013, 02:04 PM   #1
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Don't you guys think that now is time for a model with retractable landing gear in 1:200 scale ?
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Expect astronomical prices with countless flaws.
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Old 01-14-2013, 02:56 PM   #3
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Do you think that it's even more expensive than launching a new mold?
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Unfortunately, completely unrealistic.

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Old 01-14-2013, 03:01 PM   #5
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The landing gear from a diecast 747 already has to carry around 20 times as much as the real landing gear in relationship to the actual weight of a fully loaded 747.

How could that be replaced by a retractable landing gear that is even more weak?!

Nice idea but very unrealistic
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Technically speaking, how can you reproduce at this scale, the complex mecanism of a retractable landing gear and the moving doors ?

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Old 01-14-2013, 03:18 PM   #7
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Not even 1:72 diecast military planes have retractable landing gear. It's bad enough with QC issues on models that have moving stabilizers, rudders etc The only kind of plane I accept with moving parts are swing-wing like F-14, F-111, Tornado.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:22 PM   #8
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Technically it is possible, remember the 250 series of gemini with retractable gear. However my impression is that, it isn't economical viable (from a production cost pov versus a durability pov) on a 1/200 model, otherwise gemini would have continued with it.
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:25 PM   #9
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Yeah, I think is hard in die cast but how about plastic ?. If you keep in mind the job that Herpa did with the Premium Series, perhaps they can do it again, a Premium Series with retractable landing gear ? that'll be awesome !! I know it will be pricey but it worth.
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Remember that, with gear down, if displayed on a stand it ought to have the oleos uncompressed and bogies dangling (if applicable). Probably already have the best of both worlds with the likes of Hogan etc., providing gear up/down (on-the-ground) options.
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I don't think this would work out well for the discriminating tastes of your most casual diecast airplane collector.... This idea would be better in the RC world. Gemini's 1/250 retractable gear were so inaccurate. its no longer in production...

...Now the idea of extended flaps, slats, and airbrakes could be more feasible, yet wishful thinking....
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:40 PM   #12
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It would be nice to see them flying through my home from "Kitchen International" to "Bedroom Regional Airport" with a realistic speed up to 3 mph
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Well ... I was just wondering and I think It would not be a bad idea. Or at least as a limited edition basis. If Herpa or any other manufacturer can make it, we can buy it.

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Old 01-14-2013, 03:46 PM   #14
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It would be nice to see them flying through my home from "Kitchen International" to "Bedroom Regional Airport" with a realistic speed up to 3 mph
Ha ha ha ha !!!

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Tekno model airliners had the feature more than 50 years ago.

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The problem is like others have said, if you want retractable landing gear which could be done, you will pay for it at the expense of realism and accuracy. Just like the Gemini 250 which had retractable landing gear, but the gear themselves and the areas where the gear mounted were extremely toyish looking for that exact reason.

I am all for this kind of stuff, but its just not a a realistic idea. My dream model would be something along the lines of Herpa Premium quality, with realistic lighting features (nav lights, landing lights, cabin lighting, strobes etc etc). I have always wanted to build my own 1/100 scale model and integrate lighting into it which wouldnt be all that hard, but I just dont have the skills to finish the model to the extent I would want it.
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The attempt at an opening door on the AB A320 never really came to much so cant see complex gear movement
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well we don't need a fully functional retractable gear...I prefer something like what we have in 1:72 military. Simply take out the gear all together and have a piece cover. Personally I like models with gear up, it's meant to fly, so that's how it should be displayed.
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Don't you guys think that now is time for a model with retractable landing gear in 1:200 scale ?
What are you 12? They're not to be played with, they sit on a shelf and look pretty, with either the gear up or down.

Gemini250 has some clearance models with retractable gear, go buy and play with those.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:58 PM   #20
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Age does not have anything to do with this, obviously. It's just that we have a passion for airplane models that we'd love to see them in a more realistic way. That's all !!!!

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What are you 12? They're not to be played with, they sit on a shelf and look pretty, with either the gear up or down.

Gemini250 has some clearance models with retractable gear, go buy and play with those.
Age does not have anything to do with this, obviously, It's just that we have a passion for airplane models that we'd love to see them in a more realistic way. That's all
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well we don't need a fully functional retractable gear...I prefer something like what we have in 1:72 military. Simply take out the gear all together and have a piece cover. Personally I like models with gear up, it's meant to fly, so that's how it should be displayed.
I second this idea as well! Thats why i like dragon wings 1:400 models and 1:200 Hogan/Skymarks which have option of gear up or gear down
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What are you 12? They're not to be played with, they sit on a shelf and look pretty, with either the gear up or down.

Gemini250 has some clearance models with retractable gear, go buy and play with those.
Surely many of us have simulated a final approach or a flyby or even a banked turn at 45 degrees with our airliner models (No landings or taxiing ). The kid in me still does it! Then back to the shelf she goes to sit pretty, away from others reach.
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Surely many of us have simulated a final approach or a flyby or even a banked turn at 45 degrees with our airliner models (No landings or taxiing ). The kid in me still does it! Then back to the shelf she goes to sit pretty, away from others reach.
Absolutely agree with you, Blue Angel, thank you !!!
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Surely many of us have simulated a final approach or a flyby or even a banked turn at 45 degrees with our airliner models (No landings or taxiing ). The kid in me still does it! Then back to the shelf she goes to sit pretty, away from others reach.

Yup! And I even do a very gentle touch and go on the granite counter top
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...and 1:200 Hogan/Skymarks which have option of gear up or gear down
Some Gemini 200 737 and 757 models have that option too.
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Yup! And I even do a very gentle touch and go on the granite counter top
You'd better not be trying that with a Gemini 777!
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I find the GJ250 models retractable landing gear to be problematic. GJ did it well but there were a few points that caused grief.
The doors were prone to structural failure due to constant moving and the wheels were not strengthened to cope with the weight abouve thus causing wheel collapse whilst deployed.
I've got a few Gj250's and these issues were not big issues but if you had 1;200 models i would think things like this would need to be addressed.
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Some Gemini 200 737 and 757 models have that option too.
Was packing away my G200 737s and found the replaceable gears/doors to be a pita. I'm always afraid of breaking the gear as I remove it.
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I have to agree that this would be a nice to have feature, just as realistic lights. But the point is that I don't see either in the near to mid term, and I'd rather not have it than having it done badly.

That said, I do like the option to switch between gears up & down on my Hogans and the Gemini/AV200 757s.
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I did have a pair of the GJ 1/250 DC8s. I wasn't keen on them, so moved them on, without difficulty strangely enough.

gimean, an interesting subject for discussion. Like most members here, I don't think it's a worthwhile or desirable feature. I wouldn't be particularly keen seeing it on my beloved 1/100 and 1/72 models either.

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You'd better not be trying that with a Gemini 777!
I've done it several times with my Air France 777-228ER, and no issues whatsoever. That metal gear is pretty robust, and the wheels have all been tweaked to roll perfectly. Touch down easy (as is done with the real ones) and all is well.
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Don't you guys think that now is time for a model with retractable landing gear in 1:200 scale ?
No. The cost would be prohibitive to scale this accurately. I'd say we are better off with really well-detailed fixed landing gear. I'm very pleased with how Gemini, Phoenix, Herpa (metal) and Hogan does it.
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I have to agree that this would be a nice to have feature, just as realistic lights. But the point is that I don't see either in the near to mid term, and I'd rather not have it than having it done badly.

That said, I do like the option to switch between gears up & down on my Hogans and the Gemini/AV200 757s.
I really like the little touches that Gemini adds to their models starting at the A320 size and up. White jewelled beacon lights on the nose strut and red anti-collision beacon jewels on the top and bottom of the fuselage certainlyy add a touch of 'magic', IMPO. The effect is quite arresting when light catches one of those. That said, it would be nice if the red and green wing navigation lights could be added to this as well.
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