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Old 05-15-2017, 08:51 AM   #1
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This is something I haven't had to do before, regret having to do now but will do so to benefit the 99% of members out there who are honest and do the right thing.

A bit over a year ago I paid $200 via Paypal to Joseph (Joe) ******* who resides in Perth, Western Australia for an Inflight200 model which I suspect now he never had. Despite some initial emails and text msg's the model never showed and things went silent for 12 months until I got a msg saying he "forgot about it". He offered a refund and from that point on I got the usual excuse that he's been busy working 'out of town' and doesn't have internet connectivity to do the transaction.

Funnily enough he always just enough connectivity to msg me with this excuse yet conveniently never seems to have enough connectivity to actually put a refund through (as promised).

I'm calling this guy a fraudster and a thief and want others to be aware of his dealings.

Even though I paid through Paypal they were unable to pin this creep down and if you read ALEXAKOS's sticky note (which is very accurate) about making transactions safe when buying and selling, you can only do so much (like Paypal) if the seller changes accounts, names and contact details or just flat out refuses to reply.

The last details I have of him are:

eBay seller name: jsjscd9a

Paypal payee address: jsjscd (at) yahoo dot com dot au

I've dealt with literally hundreds of reliable sellers and buyers and made some amazing friends over the years ... Joe ******* not being one of them.

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well joe has bought around 10-12 models from me well over a year ago. although not seen or heard from him here for quite a while. I know he DOES work in the Australian outback a lot! so is away and on the move a lot and is away months at a time. and internet is almost non existent out there. but I am really REALLY surprised reading this. I will see if I can try and contact him. but again it could be a while. Just hope he has not had an accident or something like it out there.
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I have purchased and traded many models with Joe over the years. No problem at all. I have not communicated with him for some time,I hope he is OK? I can tell you,his job does take him to remote locations without internet service. As for keeping your money,and not sending the model. THAT IS NOT THE JOE I KNOW! I hope things get worked out for you.
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I have also sold a model to Joe a few years ago. Everything worked fine

Hope you can get it sorted...
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I've bought from and sold models to Joseph - not had a problem.
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Me too..sold him 3 models 2 years ago. Never had problems with him. he is very often "out of house".

hope you will clear your issue with him...
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I sent him an email. As I said,this type of behavior is 100% foreign to the Joe I have known for 7-8 years. I am concerned about his well being. I am sorry Boeing-guy you are angry,but Joe would NEVER take someones money,and not send them the model they purchased. I am worried something has happened.
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I also got a lovely model from him and had no issues whatsoever
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As others have said, Joe bought a few models from me years ago. He was friendly and reliable. I hope you can sort it out with him.
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I think Joe may have one of the larger 200 scale collections on the planet. I won't say how many,but very little in 200 scale exists that Joe doesn't have. I have sent Joe 2 emails today and I hope to hear from him. I have done many,many trades with Joe. My Kalitta B747 and my Southern B747 & B777 are from Joe. He knows I like cargo planes. All three are 200 scale. I hope he is OK.
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Thanks for your input and feedback guys, much appreciated.

As I did state in my original post I have also dealt with him in person before and had no problems with that transaction, model was mint and I was very happy.

My post may come across as being 'angry' and it might take a few people by surprise who know me well to be doing this as I'm the most easy going guy to deal with and have over 400+ sales under my belt.

What needs to be appreciated here from my point of view is that this particular transaction happened 18 MONTHS AGO and there's been several emails and text msg's between Joe and myself over that time frame and i'm reading it as stalling tactics.

>>> Having "enough" internet connection to email and text me with excuses but "not enough" to transfer the funds through doesn't cut it with me, sorry. <<<

Hopefully I'm wrong and he does the right thing - ball's in his court.

The model was paid for by a retired couple who couldn't really afford it but had a connection to the aircraft and really wanted it so I've done the right thing and refunded them out of my own money and now I'm left holding the baby.

Once again, thanks for your comments and hopefully it gets sorted out. Cheers.
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And thanks robertjon5 - hopefully this is one off because I really didn't want to do this but was left with no other option.

PS: your BOAC models still look stunning in my collection :-))
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I can hardly believe this story. Why would anyone send money when the two of them live in the same city? You can call him on the phone, or visit at home - I do not understand what's your problem that you need publicly to accuse Joe S. As a seller I have the best opinion of Joe as a buyer on the basis of three-year experience. I'm glad that no one has confirmed your experience.

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Milos I'm from Perth originally as shown on my profile but now living in Melbourne - that is why I sent the money and did not arrange to meet in person.

Secondly, I'm also glad to hear this appears to be an isolated incident. You have to understand I only bought from him in person ONCE so I don't have a history working with him like many of you other members have so I can't assess his honesty based on one transaction, I've been dicked before by a first timer.

Just because you personally like this or any other particular seller you can't expect that to be a status quo for everyone else, again I've been dicked before and this has dragged on long enough.

Lastly ask yourself this question ... Would you or anyone else sitting on the sidelines here seriously find it acceptable to wait A YEAR AND A HALF after payment to receive a model ?? No, I didn't think so ...
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Thanks for your reply. Now I understand why you sent payment by PayPal (MEL/PER). Of course I would not have waited for 18 months, but would report the problem to PayPal Resolution Center and get full refund from PayPal (PayPal buyer's protection). I wish and hope that the problem will be solved.
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As I have mentioned in both threads about this subject,I am concerned about Joe's well being. I am sorry you are out the money,and obviously not happy about it. Your story is so foreign to the person I know. He has not been on DAC since last year. That also concerns me. I have his phone number. I will account for the time change,and give him a ring.
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Can we confirm that nobody has spoken to or had contact with Joe for 2 months at least? Boeing-guy,now living in Melbourne. I completely understand you being angry at the way this transaction has gone. I am very concerned about Joe's well being. I tried the mobile number I have for him,no answer. Over the years,I have had at least a couple of dozen transactions with Joe. All my Emirates freighters (A310,B747,& B777) all came from him. My Polar/DHL B747-400F came from Joe. You get the point. One of the great retailers we both buy from,has not heard a peep from Joe since March. He has not just up and left the hobby. Not a chance. Anyone else on the forum,still live in Perth? If yes,can you try getting a hold of him. I am sorry if I am going on and on about this,but I am quite upset. JOE IS NOT A THIEF!!!!
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I have sold lots of models to Joe. I will say that he is very difficult to get a hold of and disappears for weeks sometimes months at a time. He has a huge collection of models and at one time was very active here. I too have lost all contact with him...
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This is something I haven't had to do before, regret having to do now but will do so to benefit the 99% of members out there who are honest and do the right thing.

A bit over a year ago I paid $200 via Paypal to Joseph (Joe) ******* who resides in Perth, Western Australia for an Inflight200 model which I suspect now he never had. Despite some initial emails and text msg's the model never showed and things went silent for 12 months until I got a msg saying he "forgot about it". He offered a refund and from that point on I got the usual excuse that he's been busy working 'out of town' and doesn't have internet connectivity to do the transaction.

Funnily enough he always just enough connectivity to msg me with this excuse yet conveniently never seems to have enough connectivity to actually put a refund through (as promised).

I'm calling this guy a fraudster and a thief and want others to be aware of his dealings.

Even though I paid through Paypal they were unable to pin this creep down and if you read ALEXAKOS's sticky note (which is very accurate) about making transactions safe when buying and selling, you can only do so much (like Paypal) if the seller changes accounts, names and contact details or just flat out refuses to reply.

The last details I have of him are:

eBay seller name: jsjscd9a

Paypal payee address: jsjscd (at) yahoo dot com dot au

I've dealt with literally hundreds of reliable sellers and buyers and made some amazing friends over the years ... Joe ******* not being one of them.
I happen to have a bad experience with Joe as well. It dates back to August last year. I my case I was the seller and not the buyer. I have seen this Joe guy here on the forum as well, in my many years of being a lurker here. His dac id is: jsjscd9a

He purchased 2 inflight200 models from me back then. What rang a bell at first was he purchased those models outside ebay, which i had put on ebay, but he messaged me several times to make a deal outside ebay. Since i had seen him being an active member here on te forum, i decided to oblige and take the risk!

The models were paid for in 2 separate parts coz the amount was 500$ and to which i agreed.

Next step was he wanted the models to be posted with tracking from canada to him Australia, which wasnt a problem, although he didnt pay for the premium postage service, but again i decided to oblige.

Once the models were out my door, a week later i get a notice of 'items not recvd' from paypal against my transaction with Joe. I contacted him to know the reason, since it wasnt too late, as only a week had passed by, but he never replied and kept silent.

Luckily my package arrived at his place after 7 days of opening the case, that is literally 14 days after posting. But that didnt help either, coz by now he had converted his claim to 'item not as described' on paypal!!!!

This was the END of it, coz he mentioned to paypal that the model boxes arrived empty!!! What a liar!! I never got my money back and nor heard from him ever in personal. He took the models and the money as well, coz he won the claim on paypal by making false accusations. Hes a smart thief i must say!!

Funny part is he has 'internet' connectivty to make all such false claims on paypal, but not refund another persons money!! What a world!

I demand the moderator here to ban this scammer jsjscd9a here on the forum as well!!

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Again,I have no explanation for this? I have had countless transaction's with Joe,not even a hint of trouble. These 2 examples given,make me sad frankly. I could speculate about what is happening,but that would be wrong.
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G'day,

I have been keeping an eye on this thread, because it has been skirting close to breaking forum rules, which state:
You may not post any personal information about a member on the forums without the express written consent of the person involved. Even if you want to let the collecting community know about a bad trader, posting the person's real full name, address and phone number is prohibited. Such violations may result in the suspension of your account.

As such, I removed the person's surname in the original post.

Further checking has shown this member has not logged onto the site since September 10th 2016 and the last time he posted was June 2nd 2016. Since it's almost a year since last posting, I suggest it is highly unlikely he will return. I also checked death notices within Australia for the past year, but he isn't listed.

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G'day,

I have been keeping an eye on this thread, because it has been skirting close to breaking forum rules, which state:
You may not post any personal information about a member on the forums without the express written consent of the person involved. Even if you want to let the collecting community know about a bad trader, posting the person's real full name, address and phone number is prohibited. Such violations may result in the suspension of your account.

As such, I removed the person's surname in the original post.

Further checking has shown this member has not logged onto the site since September 10th 2016 and the last time he posted was June 2nd 2016. Since it's almost a year since last posting, I suggest it is highly unlikely he will return. I also checked death notices within Australia for the past year, but he isn't listed.

Cheers Lou
Thanks for checking the death notices Lou. I was hoping that was not the explanation. Is it law in Australia that someones demise is made public? It's like I have lost a friend. I am just repeating myself that I am shocked at this behavior. The example YYZ-YVR gave,is very deliberate and thought out. Said person has many contacts all over the globe. I don't know them,but would be curious to hear if they have lost touch with him?
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The example YYZ-YVR gave,is very deliberate and thought out.
Thats because it is one... I dont think he will return to this forum now anyways, after all the bad repo hes earned...
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I just hope that fellow members understand how I feel. I have known Joe for a long time. Many purchases and trades. To hear that he has apparently resorted to theft to obtain some of his models,is really disturbing to me. I guess very disappointed is the best way to describe how I feel. It would be nice to hear from Joe and explain this behavior.
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