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Old 03-28-2004, 05:14 AM   #1
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Has anyone seen the AH-64 gun camera footage of a 4th Infantry Division Apache attacking Iraqi forces in the middle of the night. Although the Apache had its share of problems in Iraq, when it works it leaves little doubt that we should be glad that it’s on our side. This video gives a new meaning to shooting fish in a barrel, the enemy did not have a chance.

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Publishing such videos is just SICK! Very Very SICK!!

and if someone watches stuff like this with joy, then it's even more sick!!!
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Has anyone seen the AH-64 gun camera footage of a 4th Infantry Division Apache attacking Iraqi forces in the middle of the night. Although the Apache had its share of problems in Iraq, when it works it leaves little doubt that we should be glad that it’s on our side. This video gives a new meaning to shooting fish in a barrel, the enemy did not have a chance.

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...ship_video.htm

Iraqi Forces?....I didnt see them shoot back and judging by the farm tractor it looks like they were farmers....I wasnt there and I dont know the circumstances but if indeed these were innocent farmers being shot up, then this is absolutely criminal and sick....what a sad world we live in!
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Iraqi Forces?....I didnt see them shoot back and judging by the farm tractor it looks like they were farmers....I wasnt there and I dont know the circumstances but if indeed these were innocent farmers being shot up, then this is absolutely criminal and sick....what a sad world we live in!
These were not farmers.
You didn't see them shoot back because they did not know were they were drawing fire from (not a clue).
They were uniformed Iraq Soldiers that had (earlier that night) engaged an Army supply convoy using classic Iraqi (hit and run from afar) tactics, they then sped off outrunning the heavily loaded U.S Humvee’s that gave chase, the unit called in 2 Apache’s giving the location and direction that the truck was traveling, within minutes the helicopters had acquired the truck (the only pick-up in a 5 miles radius) which they observed come to a stop and the occupants get out and engage in some more questionable undertakings, the Apache’s data-linked the FLIR images back to Command and Control and remained on station for 15-20 more minutes while observing their movements, after careful analysis they were given the command to dispense with the group, and the rest is history.

This happened in the middle of a sand desert not farmland, nor do many farmers speed through the desert at 3:00AM dressed in camo and with no farming equipment, the equipment you see in the footage was all military and not farming. The trucks contained some hot weapons and lots of spent munitions, they were believed to be heading to re-supply.

War is not for everyone and most don’t have the taste for it, but I sure am glad that there are people out there man (and woman) enough to fight whether you agree with the reasoning and politics of it all or not.
I tell you that; if you think that these pilots are not effected by taking lives you are dead wrong, these guys are professional have life’s and families and everything, they don't just open fire and hope to hell that they were bad people and then release the gun camera footage for the world to see.
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These were not farmers.
You didn't see them shoot back because they did not know were they were drawing fire from (not a clue).
They were uniformed Iraq Soldiers that had (earlier that night) engaged an Army supply convoy using classic Iraqi (hit and run from afar) tactics, they then sped off outrunning the heavily loaded U.S Humvee’s that gave chase, the unit called in 2 Apache’s giving the location and direction that the truck was traveling, within minutes the helicopters had acquired the truck (the only pick-up in a 5 miles radius) which they observed come to a stop and the occupants get out and engage in some more questionable undertakings, the Apache’s data-linked the FLIR images back to Command and Control and remained on station for 15-20 more minutes while observing their movements, after careful analysis they were given the command to dispense with the group, and the rest is history.

This happened in the middle of a sand desert not farmland, nor do many farmers speed through the desert at 3:00AM dressed in camo and with no farming equipment, the equipment you see in the footage was all military and not farming. The trucks contained some hot weapons and lots of spent munitions, they were believed to be heading to re-supply.

War is not for everyone and most don’t have the taste for it, but I sure am glad that there are people out there man (and woman) enough to fight whether you agree with the reasoning and politics of it all or not.
I tell you that; if you think that these pilots are not effected by taking lives you are dead wrong, these guys are professional have life’s and families and everything, they don't just open fire and hope to hell that they were bad people and then release the gun camera footage for the world to see.


You seem to know some background info on the footage, however I have two problems with your information. You're telling me its in the desert and not in farmland, however the vehicle on the far left is clearly a farm tractor with a plow set on the back, you can even see the freshly plowed sections of the field to the right of the tractor. Judging by the heat signature off the exhaust system and the recenetly plowed section of the field, the tractor was in use not long before the shooting. The intensity of the heat signature off what is quite obviously a farm tractor exhaust tells me there is no way that vehicle was observed for 15-20 minutes because if it had been they would have seen it plowing the field.

Secondly the gunner is ordered to shoot despite making the assesment that the victim/enemy is wounded without any evaluation as to whether he continues to be a threat or not.

My theory is that this is either a mixup or perhaps some Iraqi soldiers happening upon an innocent farmer while trying to get away after a hit and run. Either way it is some pretty phucking gruesome stuff and the footage should never have been released in the first place.
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Old 04-22-2004, 11:01 AM   #6
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The tractor is used to grate (smooth) areas believed to be used for setting up weaponry and enabling easier crossing by other equipment, the tractor was found painted in Iraqi military camouflage when investigated the following morning I am told.
There was (more than just self protection) weapons found in the large truck and pick-up the following morning along with other military gear and even if these guys were farmers and their buddies pulled up in the pick-up after attacking Allied forces they sure did there friends a disservice if you ask me and I find it disturbing to watch as well.
Also remember that while it is beneficial to just wound your enemy it is much more humane to finish the job after maiming them with a 30mm cannon burst not to mention that killing the enemy is job 1 for a military soldier.
The story behind this attack has been much talked about in the military helicopter community as it took place in the early days of the war but I was not there either and can only repeat what I have heard.
One thing that I can say with certainty is that; innocent people are unintentionally killed by soldiers under conditions such as this and that is one reason why war sucks so badly especially for the aircrew that are haunted by horrific images of mistaken identity.
Whether these guys (targets) were good or bad there were no high-fives or atta-boys given to the crew upon there return to base, just somber self justifications.
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Not too much farming gets done at 0300 hrs. As for the "wounded" argument, I must have missed the FLIR image of a triage nurse parachuting in to check vitals. Was he wounded or crawling for cover and a weapon?

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Not too much farming gets done at 0300 hrs. As for the "wounded" argument, I must have missed the FLIR image of a triage nurse parachuting in to check vitals. Was he wounded or crawling for cover and a weapon?

Fire away.
For your information a lot of farming, especially plowing, gets done at night, but how the phuck would you know! As for the wounded, I didnt make that assesment, the gunner did!
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Old 05-01-2004, 02:26 PM   #9
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Here is a link to a longer version of this footage just so you can see that these guys were not farming this night.

http://movies.lazyeights.net/movies/...Iraq-long.mpeg

The guy getting out of the pick-up truck was ditching a weapon (RPG launcher) that was used earlier to engage a supply convoy.

The other guy (victim #1) was watched installing what turned out to be an IED (Improvised Explosive Device) near a guardrail just out of camera sight.
These guys got what they deserved.
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I don't know, video footage of people dying has been a part of almost every documentary made about most wars fought in the cine film and then video ages, all those pictures of B17's, Bf109's etc. and air strikes in Vietnam are basically showing people dying. I think people don't anjoy watching people die but people should see what war is, I think coverage in the West has been far too sanitised, and that works for both sides, the Arab world has shown some pretty ghastly video footage of what the Iraqi's have done to Allied forces and civilians which seems to generate nothing like the interest that these AH64 shots have generated,

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[QUOTE=justin] "I think coverage in the West has been far too sanitised"

You'll never see this on CNN

Video shows a hostile Iraqi about to fire an RPG at American troops, until a G.I. gets him first with a burst from an M-249 5.56mm squad machine-gun.

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/...os_2004623.asp

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Old 08-20-2004, 06:38 PM   #12
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This stupid Iraqi insurgent forgot to check his six.
Dangit! I hate it when that happens.
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ZX1100F1, the Iraq LONG Version link seems to be not working as most are now.

Can you please E-Mail a copy of the long version. I'd like to make an informed decision.

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Waddaya think that I keep copies of this crap on my hard drive like some sort of wack?
The only way to make "an informed decision" is for you to get up off your lazy keister enlist in the U.S Military and go check it out for yourself.
Just make damn sure that you don't cap some poor Iraqi SOB until he shoots you first or there'll be plenty of holier than thou, self righteous panty wastes on these here forums who will be mighty upset with you for whacking one of their beloved.
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ZX1100F1, the Iraq LONG Version link seems to be not working as most are now.

Can you please E-Mail a copy of the long version. I'd like to make an informed decision.

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Willo, the link worked just fine for me, check it again.

http://movies.lazyeights.net/movies...-Iraq-long.mpeg
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Jeeezusss Chhriiissstt,

No matter how I try to open the damn link I get can not find server.

Anyone want to E-Mail it?? Or E-Mail me the link?????????

Personally, I think all is fair in love AND WAR. There is more to any of this **** that anyone here will ever know. Not everything is as it seems.

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Seems this here site deletes/substitutes by itself where applicable maybe the link has been changed due to the sensative nature. Maybe a E-mail with the link would work.

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Jeeezusss Chhriiissstt,

No matter how I try to open the damn link I get can not find server.

[snip snip]

Seems this here site deletes/substitutes by itself where applicable maybe the link has been changed due to the sensative nature. Maybe a E-mail with the link would work.
That would be probably be because I turn the website off every night, 6pm - midnight EST. Everyone accessing it slows my connection to a crawl, making it unusable during the hours that I want to use it.
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Another example of an Apache crew, hard at work taking out the trash.

"Army units in Tikrit come under a light ambush but work their way through. The Apache helicoptor was close by and monitered the area where the ambush was. What you dont see in the video are the guys stashing there guns in the vegetation and heading back into Tikrit, Iraq"

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/apach...l_01_2005.html

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Very nice!
Now that's good viewing.
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racism and hate breeds just that...
yes they were farmers, yes they probly had weapons, yes they probly hate america, with a**holes like you all electing our leaders its no wonder... i hate it too... Religion had nothing to do with 9/11... it was a controlled demolishon preformed by co-vert operations trained in our own country for the financial gain of all those involved(Americans)... now who's getting rich... Weapons manufacturers! A circle of violence perpetuated by a willing flock of ignorant sheep that fund war in the name of some god. God does not condone killing, thats the first commandment you morons!!!
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Cool Illiterate bastard just called us “morons”.

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racism and hate breeds just that...
yes they were farmers, yes they probly had weapons, yes they probly hate america, with a**holes like you all electing our leaders its no wonder... i hate it too... Religion had nothing to do with 9/11... it was a controlled demolishon preformed by co-vert operations trained in our own country for the financial gain of all those involved(Americans)... now who's getting rich... Weapons manufacturers! A circle of violence perpetuated by a willing flock of ignorant sheep that fund war in the name of some god. God does not condone killing, thats the first commandment you morons!!!
Just a suggestion; you may want to learn how to spell and use proper capitalizations if you ever want anyone to take your incoherent ranting seriously.
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Little Georgie Bush's great state of Texas has a local saying that definately applies to the boys in these videos: "They needed killin." Good shooting!
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racism and hate breeds just that...
yes they were farmers, yes they probly had weapons, yes they probly hate america, with a**holes like you all electing our leaders its no wonder... i hate it too... Religion had nothing to do with 9/11... it was a controlled demolishon preformed by co-vert operations trained in our own country for the financial gain of all those involved(Americans)... now who's getting rich... Weapons manufacturers! A circle of violence perpetuated by a willing flock of ignorant sheep that fund war in the name of some god. God does not condone killing, thats the first commandment you morons!!!
Actually "Thou shalt not kill (murder)" is the 5th (or 6th depending on Bible) commandment and not the 1st. So please be careful with the name calling.

For more information (as if you care), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_commandments
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Take it easy on this poor bastard! He needs some credibility.
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AH-64 gun camera footage is one thing, but AC-130 gun camera footage is another thing entirely!

And yes, the idiots in the field got what was coming to them.
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AH-64 gun camera footage is one thing, but AC-130 gun camera footage is another thing entirely!

And yes, the idiots in the field got what was coming to them.

By all means, post a link to the Spectre gun camera footage.

And yes, those old boys in the field weren't hiding easter eggs.
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no matter what the background, I´m afraid that showing this kind of film to Arab/Muslim/Iraqi audiences will only fuel the feelings of hate against the USA (and the US troops in particular) in that region.

Other than that, I completely agree with Alex. Plus, one person´s terrorist is another person´s freedom fighter.
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I´m afraid that showing this kind of film to Arab/Muslim/Iraqi audiences will only fuel the feelings of hate against the USA (and the US troops in particular) in that region.

I've been over there and can tell you from experience that most of the natives in the region are fine with the U.S although I wouldn’t take my eyes off any one of them if they were carrying so much as a pocket knife.

There is however a select group if low-life, scumbag, a$$wipes who don’t need much of a reason to hate the U.S and its soldiers, if not for some gun camera footage of a couple of their low-life buddies getting whacked by an Apache then just the fact that it’s Thursday is a good enough excuse for them to detonate an ied and take a few dozen of their countrymen with em.

I’m not much for pandering to these bastards, get em pissed, flush em out and kill them all. This thing isn't going to end until this objective is met.
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First of all who cares about grammar, you guys obviously don't(judging by your posts), it's pathetic if that is your only reply to my statement (bad grammar and misquote of some number). Quit bull####ing yourselves.

What "objective" could you possibly coceive of that would be worth the lives of all your servicemen/women who are risking their lives... they don't believe it this "objective" you speak of. Besides, the real movers and shakers in this war are not concerned with anything except america's power-struggle to stay on the top and keep the lifestyle we have in order to fund enterprises we will never know of... If you think for a minute that you know what private companies are doing around the world in the name of america you're wrong... American servicemen (including my brother) are in iraq for one reason... to protect their fellow troops, to not back down, to continue untill everyone returns home. When I spoke with other troops they said the same, and even the ones from Texas understand that our administration has it's own agenda. Nations are built on the destruction of one another, these are not sustainable practices, and your great-grandchildren will likely be fighting a war on american soil in the name of freedom because of this belief in heirarchy and because of the ignorance of the common man.
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Hey moron,
The term "objective" is dependant on who you are speaking with at the time.
When we deploy to the region my “objective” is to pump fuel to other aircraft.
If you talk with a medic his “objective” is to provide medical care to the wounded and sick.
If you speak with a forward deployed Marine grunt his “objective” is to search out and kill the insurgents.
If you speak with an Apache pilot his "objective" is also to destroy the enemy.
If you speak with a M1 tank commander his "objective" is to kill the bad guys.
If you talk to the A-10 pilots their “objective” is the same.

Who’s f***ing troops you speaking to Geraldo?
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But isn´t their first, prime objective to identify insurgents, terrorist et al first before they kill them? Or do they kill everybody around, let God sort out His own?
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Hey DirtyBird, & killthepoor, I've got a couple more videos for you to Bi*ch about.

It will be interesting to see what kind or sad excuses the "freedom fighter" apologists have for why these bastards should not have got what was coming to them.

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/airst...r_08_2006.html

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/insur...r_08_2006.html
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I am not arguing killing someone who wishes to kill you... but you all must understand the level of death that will occur after these "insurgents" die...

Our troops in the tanks sit atop amunition boxes... this is to save space... all troops know those tanks are packed... my brother said they would cram them full of shi# and everyone would have to put their bags strapped to the out side of the tank where they would get crushed and fall off while hitting buildings holes rocks whatever... anyway the gunner sitting on the ammunition... the same gunner who is doing the aiming... this gunner will come home and develope vesticular cancer... why? because depleated uranium is not depleated... it's nuclear waste, the tank is covered with it... the troops are inhailing it... the buildings burn for days with it... the kids play with it... the innocent are bombed with it... the top 20 feet of dirt and soil are saturated with it... the troops come home with it, their children are exposed to it, and in a million years it will be half as radioactive as it is today... We are not only killing the insurgents... we are toxifying the land forever! Don't give a ****? well what about my brother, the marine? If you were in Iraq or in that part of the country you'd know of the sand storms... tell me... if the uranium has toxified the first 20 feet of soil... what happens in a sandstorm... it gets dispursed in the air... our soldiers get full exposure no matter where they are.... do know kid yourself... do not take this as the rantings of some "insurgent sympathizer", no one warned by brother of the exposure to these, he joined fresh out of high school, soldiers coming home exposed bear children with a much higher percentage of birth defects, remember "gulf war syndrome" that was nothing compared to the level of exposure our troops are enduring.

Do you think our government wants its ignorant flock of taxpaying sheep to know what its doing to our troops?

Don't believe me, talk to the troops yourself... ask them about this **** that burns trough concrete and steel, for days... (like the stuff in twin towers?!?!?!)
Whatever............. you'll believe me on your death bed while loosing the last three strands of hair on your head, then you'll ask yourself:

"was it worth the painfull death of millions of soldiers to unleash a nuclear war on a country that was not powerfull enough to invade anyone?"
need i remind you we trained osama(no relation to iraq), and had years of sanctions and embargos on iraq!!!

one last question... put your self in the shoes of a 7 year old iraqi child, you see death and destruction everywhere, you are raised with weapons in your hand, you see the death america causes... will you really grow up and not be an insurgent?... Really?... no really?... could you blame them.... should all the children be shot and killed just incase? could you look your own american child in the eyes and tell them you' wish to slaughter iraqi children for fear they might retaliate.... the insurgents today were the children of the gulf war and this cycle will continue until neither of us exist(apocolypse)


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Es regnet den Spielmannsfluch" - In Extremo, "Spielmannsfluch"
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Hey moron,
I'll wager my left nut that our guys are much safer because of depleted uranium than they would be without it.
There is a large debate over its safety but retired tank crew members are not dying at a higher rate than other service members.

And to answer your idiotic question;
The 7 year old Iraqi boy (that you mention) has been seeing death and destruction since day one and will continue to see it long after we’re gone, that’s just what those people do for a living, always have, always will.
If he has a lick of sense then he'll hate the insurgents that are indiscriminately killing people.

Saudi Arabians hate us even worse and we haven’t been killing them.

The thing that you aren’t getting is that many of the insurgents aren’t even Iraqi, they have crossed the border in an attempt to make a name for their miserable existence by taking out an American or two, and they don’t give a schit how many natives they take out with us.

And what exactly does your incoherent ranting have to do with Apache gun camera footage anyway?
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The 7 year old Iraqi boy (that you mention) has been seeing death and destruction since day one and will continue to see it long after we’re gone, that’s just what those people do for a living, always have, always will.
If he has a lick of sense then he'll hate the insurgents that are indiscriminately killing people.

Saudi Arabians hate us even worse and we haven’t been killing them.
I think that part is not an opinion but a straight fact. Some kind of people have no interest in peace or in life itself.
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I think that part is not an opinion but a straight fact. Some kind of people have no interest in peace or in life itself.
True, but that is a multilateral problem.
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a child is always innocent... if you beat your children they will beat theirs... if you shoot wounded farmers who hate americans you'll have more "insurgents" to come...

and it's not your choice weather or not we attack saudi arabia... they have trillions, yes TRILLIONS invested in american stocks and our government would not allow this type of destruction there.... need i remind you Saudi Arabia has no sanctions under it... and we worked closely with Saddam for years, and funding his exploits, till he decided not to. then we starved their people goods and materials... till they were weak enough for us to squash them... yes squash... like an apache helicopter shooting unarmed and wounded enemy combatants... this violates the rules of war... if you stoop to that level... then you can't complain when they do it too...

You seem to be ignoring the main fact... that our government cares not of the good of anyones people, {research: school of the americas: a place to train future insurgent leaders...still exists}
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It may be a very uncomfortable thought, but in a large portion of the earth, the USA are considered the main terrorist power.

In addition, here´s food for thought: Imagine an Iraqi, who stayed clear of politics, had nothing in common with the Baath regime because he knew that politics mean trouble, who merely tried to get along with his life and prosper, sees how all of a sudden a foreign force invades his country, his religion is being humiliated, his people are being bombed, his country invaded, all hell breaks loose, US troops as well as insurgents are out to get him or his family because he talked to either of these groups, and there is nothing he can think of to make it stop, to live in peace again.

If you were that Iraqi, what would you do?
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It may be a very uncomfortable thought, but in a large portion of the earth, the USA are considered the main terrorist power.


US troops as well as insurgents are out to get him or his family because he talked to either of these groups,
If you were that Iraqi, what would you do?

If you were anything other than an uninformed punk you would know just how asinine these comments are.
These Iraqi's are the very people that U.S troops give their lives to protect every day.

You make it sound as if our intentions in Iraq are the same as Germany’s in WWII.
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all of a sudden a foreign force invades his country, his religion is being humiliated, his people are being bombed, his country invaded, all hell breaks loose,
Were you around on September 11th 2001?

Your story about the little Iraqi boy is touching, But what about the little American boy?

And who will fight for your little Iraqi when Iran or Saudi-Arabia or the Brittish invade?

Anti-war may be pro-peace, but what is your (killthepoor included) alternate solution to stopping terrorism?

America fights for other countries because we can and they can't.
or better put, we will and they wont.

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You make it sound as if our intentions in Iraq are the same as Germany’s in WWII.
Just one acronym: WMDs. What exactly did Iraq have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Why are US troops there? Oil.

Iraq is rapidly turning into a second Viet Nam for the USA, plus it crippled the US forces ability to do something about the powers that are REALLY behind terrorism, such as Iran.

Oh, and your big talk really doesn´t impress me at all. Where do you get your information from - Fox News Network, plus some Soldier of Fortune? Share some of your sources, so we can admire them. The way you are currently argueing makes you look like Jimbo 2.

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...but what is your (killthepoor included) alternate solution to stopping terrorism?
My solution? Terrorists need money and followers to promote terror. Freeze their accounts. Massive dealings in AA and UAL stocks were done right before 9-11, indicating that somebody had advance knowledge of the attack. Why have these leads not been followed, why have these monetary streams not been investigated? Do it. Educate the potential terrorist followers. Teach them to read and write, and if their governments refuse, oust these governments. Give them a perspective in life, show them that there is nothing to gain from terror, that there is in fact an alternative.

Finally act on "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to do something about their Al-Quaida-supporting factions, which reach into the highest parts of their respective governments. Remember who financed the 9-11 attackers, and who finances Al-Quaida.

And finally, don´t give in to them. Don´t make western society more and more restrictive, thus caving in to what the terrorists want. They want to change our freedom, and considering all what is going on in western countries today, they are doing well. Patriot Act, Anti-Terror-Laws, biometrical passports, all this is inhibiting our western (or, American if you wish) way of life.

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Hapag-Lloyd,
In one of your posts you're calling the U.S "terrorists" and in another your telling us to "oust their governments" and then you finilize it with a jack-as$ statement that we should be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan's buddies (the two countries that supply a majority of Al-Quaida members).

You're all over the place.

What the f/ck you smokin loser?

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I wouldn't worry about him. He's one of a legion who thinks he's doing good in this world by being smug on an internet forum.
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Hapag-Lloyd,
In one of your posts you're calling the U.S "terrorists" and in another your telling us to "oust their governmenst" and then you finilize it with a jack-as$ statement that we should be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan's buddies (the two countries that supply a majority of Al-Quaida members).

You're all over the place.

What the f/ck you smokin loser?
ZX, there is a vast difference between the two statements "The USA ARE terrorists", which would be MY opinion, and "the USA are considered terrorists", which is a passive observation and not my opinion.

And if you weren´t so dumb, you´d have read that I would like to see the USA act, i.e. take action on "allies" like Saudi Arabia et al to stop supporting terrorists. Not crawl up their respective a$$es while they still are supporting Al Quaida like the USA are doing today, but tell them to stop their support, or else.

Why do I always have to explain posts to you? You dumb or what? Is that a requirement to join the US armed forces? I sure hope not.
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You either believe that we are "terrorists" or why the hell would you even mention it?
Be a man, have some dignity and take responsibility for the stupid schit that comes off your keyboard.

When you figure out just exactly what the hell you're talking about why don’t you keep it to yourself!
You come from a country that is too chicken to lift a finger and do anything other than complain about what everyone else is doing.
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You come from a country that is too chicken to lift a finger and do anything other than complain about what everyone else is doing.
It's not just his country....he himself defines this behaviour.
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