Celestar

i sure miss planes like the Westland Wyvern....the Bear.....An 22
though i never seen them before...i sure like the designs...the engine of the An70 is kinda cool..but the fuselage is boring..i hope there are more to come

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richie154

im sad that the P-3 Orion is in the twilight of its career...its one helluva plane.

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Celestar

do u think prop planes will still be in military service?

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richie154

yeah, E-2C Hawkeye, C-2 Greyhound, C-130...C-130 especially! you simply cant retire that bird, its like the B-52 and 737, nothing better in its class can be made.

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Celestar

well..i mean in the future....

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richie154

way future? sure, why not? the military needs some turboprops. right?

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Celestar

i was wondering is there any major performance differences between a conventional prop n a counter rotating prop

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richie154

what do you mean? contra-rotating props like the Bear vs. conventional props like the C-130 or do you mean counter-rotating props like on the P-38 where both props spin into each-other instead of both props spinning in the same direction?

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Celestar

yeah..Bear props Vs C130 Props

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Celestar

yup...i know about it...but how bout Orions , Hawkeyes etc

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justin

Oh no, not a C130J!!!! The C130J is a lesson in how to transform one of aviations all time great aircraft into a complete heap of ****!! I may be being unfair, but I've yet to meet anybody with anything good to say about it. Originally the RAF were determined to replace all their old Herc's with the C130J but the performance of the C130J was a major factor in the RAF supporting a switch to the A400M, now who knows what the A400M will be like, possibly a complete pile of junk, but current opinion is that it can't be any worse than the C130J so why not give it a try. The C130J can't perform many combat manouvres and is basically a cargo hauler, and it's reliability and performance are still way short of Lockheed's promises. I believe a lot of customers have asked Lockheed to re-open the Herc. classic line but they are determined to sell the J.

Justin

richie154

Bears have 2 sets of contra-rotating props per engine; C-130's have 1 set of props per engine.

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richie154

blah blah blah...

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Celestar

yes..i am aware of that...but i u have not seen my post..i was asking for the magor difference in the performance

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Romania is #1

I think the two props per engine, hugely increase the proplusion of the plane. ALso what is the Orion gonna be replaced by. The nimrod, 737?

richie154

ive heard that the USN's looking at the 737-700, but who knows.

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justin

The main reasons for cntra rotating props are to eliminate side torque and to reduce prop diameter. Side torque was a huge problem on WW2 warbirds, aircraft like the higher power Bf109G/K, Spitfire XIV etc. had pretty scary take off swing as a result of the side torque, whilst the Avro Shakleton needed contra props to use the RR Griffon.

Justin

Celestar

oh...

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Stanman

Don't count the P-3 out just yet. A newer plane basically based on the last P-3 is being offerred by Lockheed and is going head to head with Boeing's version based on the 737-800.

There's a lot going for the P-3 as its tried and tested and there are more than a hundred examples flown by Japan and Australia besides the US. They too are intensely watching the outcome as it would affect what they would upgrade to.