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Old 05-22-2010, 12:49 AM   #1
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I'm from India.
There has been a crash in mangalore, karnatka ( southern state of india )
At around 6:30 AM local time.
Theere have been 160 Confirmed casualties, includinf 5 infants and 10 children.
It was 737-800 ( VT-AXV )
Air India Express.
There have been 6-10 survivors.
There were heavy crosswinds and rain on approch.
The plane touched down 2000 ft. away from the normal point.
The runway at manglore was a new one which has just been inagurated 10 days ago.
Its long, and a table top sorrounded by beautiful mountains.
The commander was a russian expat, and the co-pilot was an Indian.
Also DGCA ( INDIAN FAA )authorities have reched and are trying to find Blackboxes.
Condolences and sadness for all the dead and the beautiful bird

Rest In peace.
Sad an air incident happening in India after almost 11 years.
Indian skies are one of the safest, with one of the strictest flying rules by DGCA, stricter than FAA in some areas.

Peace and love to the dead.
She was the beautiful bird.

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this is indeed very saddening.. a nice looking aircraft gone down and a very sad day for Indian Aviation...
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Rest in peace to those who died. And did Hogan produce VT-AXY in 1/200 before? It sounds rather familiar here...
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What is this, plane number 5 in 1.5 to 2 weeks time. Crazy world again.
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RIP to all who died...this is so sad....
what is happening to the aviation industry is quite hard to digest..consecutive crashes in very narrow time frames...

sure is a beautiful bird with the sun temple as it's logo.
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Oh wow, what happened? Unfortunately there were fatalities, but fortunately not everyone onboard.
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What is this, plane number 5 in 1.5 to 2 weeks time. Crazy world again.
No this was the 3rd in 3 weeks as far as i remember.
The African airliner ( The A330), the Tu-154( polish president ) and now this.

I may be wrong.


Also 158 out of 166 confirmed death, miraculously 9 survived includin 3-4 children.
DGCA suspects pilot misjudgement, early reports suggests that the pilor tried to abort at last minute but the plane stalled and he overshot the runway with a high pitch, lost control and fell down the valley hitting trees and busting into flames.
But too early to conculde.

Correction from the first post: There was NO PRECIPITATION at the time of landing says Mangalore Weaher dept. but Air India Suggests that there was rin, but thats no excuse.
Most likely the bird had no fault in her.
Sad she was beautiful.
Now just ashes remain.
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How many hull losses is this now for the Next-Generation 737?
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I flew in India. Don't even get me started with the DGCA. You don't want to go that route.
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How many hull losses is this now for the Next-Generation 737?
According to wikipedia 144 hull losses total so i suppose around 10 would be i guess if average is taken .......
or one can go to air line crases web site and count..
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I flew in India. Don't even get me started with the DGCA. You don't want to go that route.
Flew as a PAX or a Commercial captain ?
And when ? Thins have improved way too much now..

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So sorry, won't happen next time.
No worries, just want to make sure that everyone gets to see this developing news story.
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I hope that Raj was not on that flight...hes a fellow DAC member and flies for them.

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Very sad. RIP to all who were killed.

2009 and 2010 haven't been the best years for Aviation. We really need to fix these overruns as well. This crash reminds me a lot of AF 358 (A343 ran off the runway in a heavy storm at YYZ in August 2005), except this time the plane fell into a valley instead of a gully. A large hazard such as a valley, gully or body of water doesn't seem like a good idea to have at the end of a runway, there should be a reliable arresting system in place should an overrun occur.

From the crashes I remember in 2009/10:

Air France A330-200
Yemenia A310-300
Turkish 737-800
US Airways A320-200
Colgan Air DHC-8-400
Afriqiyah A330-200
Ethiopian 737-800

and now Air India 737-800...
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It was 737-800 - agra ( VT-AXY )

The runway at manglore was a new one which has just been inagurated 10 days ago.
It was VT-AXV! And the runway was more than 2 years old, it was the new terminal that was inaugurated 10 days ago!

Really sad indeed!

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No this was the 3rd in 3 weeks as far as i remember.
The African airliner ( The A330), the Tu-154( polish president ) and now this.

I may be wrong.
Pamir Airways Antonov-22 as well. Very tragic month for Aviation!

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Also 158 out of 166 confirmed death, miraculously 9 survived includin 3-4 children.
DGCA suspects pilot misjudgement, early reports suggests that the pilor tried to abort at last minute but the plane stalled and he overshot the runway with a high pitch, lost control and fell down the valley hitting trees and busting into flames.
But too early to conculde.

Correction from the first post: There was NO PRECIPITATION at the time of landing says Mangalore Weaher dept. but Air India Suggests that there was rin, but thats no excuse.
Most likely the bird had no fault in her.
Sad she was beautiful.
Now just ashes remain.
8 people were found alive at the crash site but a 4 year old succumbed in the hospital. So only 7 survivors!

There had been rain in and around IXE before the aircraft landed. Although there was no rain when the plane landed. But the visibility was only 6 kms.

The plane made a late touchdown and as the pilot decided to go for a Go-Around, the plane's left wing collided with the localizers at the end of the runway and it fell down the valley.


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:-(
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I hope that Raj was not on that flight...hes a fellow DAC member and flies for them.

:-(
no he wasnt. as a matter of coincidence he was the one who flew the crashed aircraft on its delivery flight to India in 2007 with the Reg# VT-AXV...

as per his post on one of the other forums he had flown as a FO with the British-Serbian Expat Pilot of today's ill-fated flight..

My condolences to the families of everyone who lost their lives...
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no he wasnt. as a matter of coincidence he was the one who flew the crashed aircraft on its delivery flight to India in 2007 with the Reg# VT-AXV...
Yes, he was the one who brought the bird from Seattle.

And he did all his command training on VT-AXV and his first flight in command was on VT-AXV as well.
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Sorry for the wrong info the one or two points ( survivors, Reg # ), but the runway was extended recently and the extension was inagurated 10days ago, thats a confmed even i have seen the video.
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Sorry for the wrong info the one or two points ( survivors, Reg # ), but the runway was extended recently and the extension was inagurated 10days ago, thats a confmed even i have seen the video.
The new runway( the one where the AIX bird landed) was constructed and commissioned on 10 May 2006. This was then and is still 8000 feet long.

On the inauguration of the new Integrated Terminal on 16th May'2010, the Civil Aviation Minister said that the runway would be extended to 9000 feet to facilitate the movement of larger jets. So no extensions were made recently to the existing runway.
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This is such a tragedy! My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones in this accident.
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What did the planes land on?
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A very sobering and sad situation. Kind of makes you try a little bit harder to be a bit kinder to your fellow man/woman/critter- you know what I mean; and live each day to the fullest.
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I wonder if it was the pilots fault or something to do with the new runway ILS...
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The new runway( the one where the AIX bird landed) was constructed and commissioned on 10 May 2006. This was then and is still 8000 feet long.

On the inauguration of the new Integrated Terminal on 16th May'2010, the Civil Aviation Minister said that the runway would be extended to 9000 feet to facilitate the movement of larger jets. So no extensions were made recently to the existing runway.
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RIP.
The plane landed on the last leg of the runway and went onto the over run area and then down a 200ft. drop.
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Another very sad tragedy indeed for the aviation world this year . Kind of reminds us that no matter what race, ethnicity, country, religion.... people are, accidents like this are horrible and very difficult for the people's family members to hear about. My condolences go out to the many who perished.
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I wonder if it was the pilots fault or something to do with the new runway ILS...
Yes i just read about posible ILS fault, and also read that the point of touchdown if the captain had done the right things he could have stopped the plane just before the runway ended.
But no blames on pilots, i'm sure they tried their very best, till their very end.
They are in our thoughts, peace for them.
Hope they are happy where ever they are.
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Another very sad tragedy indeed for the aviation world this year . Kind of reminds us that no matter what race, ethnicity, country, religion.... people are, accidents like this are horrible and very difficult for the people's family members to hear about. My condolences go out to the many who perished.
very true, and very sad.
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Corrected the Reg # in first post, they both have the same tails ?
No, you had the right registration in the image!

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But no blames on pilots, i'm sure they tried their very best, till their very end.
They are in our thoughts, peace for them.
Hope they are happy where ever they are.
Job well done ( the best they could do )
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No, you had the right registration in the image!


Now also correct VT-AXV ? oh i got the correct oicture but wrong Reg #
Sorry guys corrected.

UPDATE:

Some people in news say that DGCA might have found the CVR and FDR.
Also a team from FAA is coming to help DGCA.
All 158 Bodies have been found and around 80 identified, rest wil be sent for DNA test.
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This is such a terrible tragedy. We can only hope that the subsequent investigation identifies the cause and in turn makes the skies that little bit safer for all.

On another note, it is not surprising that N708DN hasn't piped up in this thread.
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Sorry, but what does this mean ?
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It means that he exploited the opportunity of the recent Libyan plane crash to bag Airbus and proclaim that he was a Boeing fan. His thread was in the 1:1 Military Aviation section.
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It means that he exploited the opportunity of the recent Libyan plane crash to bag Airbus and proclaim that he was a Boeing fan. His thread was in the 1:1 Military Aviation section.
Thats pretty looser-ish, as if there are no boeings which have had hull losses...
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The plane landed on the last leg of the runway and went onto the over run area and then down a 200ft. drop.
You can't help but wonder if the death toll would have been significantly lower were it not for the 200ft drop at the end of the runway ? Surely somebody has to question why that was ?
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Old 05-23-2010, 11:10 AM   #39
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You can't help but wonder if the death toll would have been significantly lower were it not for the 200ft drop at the end of the runway ? Surely somebody has to question why that was ?
Thats true BUT it was a table top runway and there are more than 30 active table top runways in India alone, most of them operate ATRs and Cessna's. But some of them are 737 compatible.....
Its nothing new, these runways are failrly common around the world and the drop has to be avoided thats the whole idea, when the whole terrain is like this you don't have an option but to make a runway sorrounded by drops.
The pilots have to make sure they stop in time and at the corrct position so that the drop has no affect on them.
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On another note, it is not surprising that N708DN hasn't piped up in this thread.
He's probably still hiding under his bed from the last stupid bashing Thread he made.
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The pilots have to make sure they stop in time and at the corrct position so that the drop has no affect on them.
About once a year, someone makes a post so deep, so profound, and so full of wisdom, that I am completely blown away. I always think to myself "There is absolutely NO WAY that this can be topped"....and, then, this.

I, for one, would like to personally thank Madnish for his contribution to the accident investigation of IX 812 and I firmly believe the DGCA should seek this prodigy of accident investigation out and put him on the top team of investigators.

And it doesn't matter that nearly EVERYTHING little Madnish has posted thus far has been incorrect, inaccurate, and nothing more than pure speculation...only to be later corrected as th FACTS come forth.....this brand of armchair accident investigation is what the world needs more of. And for that Madnish, we thank you.

Madnish, for the sake of the few of us who actually like to wait for FACTS to be known before offering our opinion on what may or may not have happened, maybe you should sit the next few plays out.
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About once a year, someone makes a post so deep, so profound, and so full of wisdom, that I am completely blown away. I always think to myself "There is absolutely NO WAY that this can be topped"....and, then, this.

I, for one, would like to personally thank Madnish for his contribution to the accident investigation of IX 812 and I firmly believe the DGCA should seek this prodigy of accident investigation out and put him on the top team of investigators.

And it doesn't matter that nearly EVERYTHING little Madnish has posted thus far has been incorrect, inaccurate, and nothing more than pure speculation...only to be later corrected as th FACTS come forth.....this brand of armchair accident investigation is what the world needs more of. And for that Madnish, we thank you.

Madnish, for the sake of the few of us who actually like to wait for FACTS to be known before offering our opinion on what may or may not have happened, maybe you should sit the next few plays out.
I allowed myself a little snigger there dude...
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About once a year, someone makes a post so deep, so profound, and so full of wisdom, that I am completely blown away. I always think to myself "There is absolutely NO WAY that this can be topped"....and, then, this.

I, for one, would like to personally thank Madnish for his contribution to the accident investigation of IX 812 and I firmly believe the DGCA should seek this prodigy of accident investigation out and put him on the top team of investigators.

And it doesn't matter that nearly EVERYTHING little Madnish has posted thus far has been incorrect, inaccurate, and nothing more than pure speculation...only to be later corrected as th FACTS come forth.....this brand of armchair accident investigation is what the world needs more of. And for that Madnish, we thank you.

Madnish, for the sake of the few of us who actually like to wait for FACTS to be known before offering our opinion on what may or may not have happened, maybe you should sit the next few plays out.
listen dylan, i know you are big time respected fellow out here at DA.C and i also know that you simply love bashing fellow forum mates for the littlest things they do/speak. but here dude i have my freedom here to post, i'm not claiming to be some authority neither am i telling you to believe me, neither am i saying i'm some aviation genius...
but your sarcasm will not deter me from posting what i feel like posting.
thats it buddy, hope you don't get on with your usual stuff here.
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i'm not claiming to be some authority neither am i telling you to believe me, neither am i saying i'm some aviation genius...
but your sarcasm will not deter me from posting what i feel like posting.
thats it buddy, hope you don't get on with your usual stuff here.
Wow, I try and thank you for your hard work on this thread an this is the response I get. You're officially uninvited to the "Forum Gods" award ceremony put on entirely by me....and where I win every category.


Why can't you enjoy the fact that with one post, you became an internet legend?
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Wow, I try and thank you for your hard work on this thread an this is the response I get. You're officially uninvited to the "Forum Gods" award ceremony put on entirely by me....and where I win every category.


Why can't you enjoy the fact that with one post, you became an internet legend?
Come on dude, cut it.
you really don't want to go on with it.. I told you i will not stop, if my information is not correct you can correct me, but don't shut me with your sarcasm.
So please dude let it be.
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I told you i will not stop, if my information is not correct you can correct me, but don't shut me with your sarcasm.
So please dude let it be.
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How about you get your information right, before you post! Then you won't have to suffer such sarcasm!! You mentioned "I'm from India" but that does not mean you automatically become a spokesperson on this case, because it's Air India Express. Look at your posts in this thread, it was only time before someone said something, and Dylan did!!
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Come on dude, cut it.
you really don't want to go on with it.. I told you i will not stop, if my information is not correct you can correct me, but don't shut me with your sarcasm.
So please dude let it be.
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I can't "shut you" with sarcasm, unfortunately I don't have that power. The opinion I am sharing is mine, and mine alone. Initially, I thought to myself that you were doing this thread a disservice with the sheer amount of wrong info you were posting, but I have since changed my mind. Hilarity is far more important than the facts. I'll be eagerly awaiting your next nugget of wisdom, post away....
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How about you get your information right, before you post! Then you won't have to suffer such sarcasm!! You mentioned "I'm from India" but that does not mean you automatically become a spokesperson on this case, because it's Air India Express. Look at your posts in this thread, it was only time before someone said something, and Dylan did!!
Dude did i ever say i'm anybodies spokesperson ?
did i say that i'm from DGCA ? or did i tell you that i'm 100% correct... i can be wrong i'm not at the place enither do i own the DGCA i myself saw things on new mediums...
And i really don't care about what Dylan said trust me.

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I can't "shut you" with sarcasm, unfortunately I don't have that power. The opinion I am sharing is mine, and mine alone. Initially, I thought to myself that you were doing this thread a disservice with the sheer amount of wrong info you were posting, but I have since changed my mind. Hilarity is far more important than the facts. I'll be eagerly awaiting your next nugget of wisdom, post away....
Yes you are correct you can't shut me with your sarcasm.
You are free to share your opinion just as you can't shut me, i won't even be stupid to try and shut you for no reason go on saying what you want..
And thee sheer ammount of wrong info !
maybe you should come here and see the news channels and then maybe you will get to know who was posting wrong info, the wrong info i posted was only that the new runway was opened ( where as new terminal was opened ) and the reg # of the aircraft involved ( i saw that reg # in the other thread so i assumed that would be correct ! )

Regarding number of survivors : stil nobody knows the exact numbers i gave a range not a definite number.
Regarding the rain during landing, still there are many conflicting reports its your choice to believe which ever you want.....
And as far as the rest goes there is nothing wrong inthinking about what could have gone wrong if you don't like such posts unsubscribe this thread.
thats all i have to say to you and your huge fan base on this site.

And BTW thanks for the free publicity on your sig.
that does not offend me at all, if thats what you are trying to do, Dylan.

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How about you get your information right, before you post! Then you won't have to suffer such sarcasm!! You mentioned "I'm from India" but that does not mean you automatically become a spokesperson on this case, because it's Air India Express. Look at your posts in this thread, it was only time before someone said something, and Dylan did!!
Absolutely true! There is a huge and fundamental difference between facts that have not been confirmed or are speculative at the moment and posting facts that end up to be wrong.



Madnish, post things that are proven from reliable sources and post the links to them!
It's just hilarious, how you try to defend yourself from suffering sarcasm or even fight for your 'right' to post at all!
Keep it up and post proven stuff in the future and we won't have to correct you in that way...
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