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Old 07-29-2009, 12:39 AM   #1
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:35 AM   #2
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You beat me to it ... I was just going to post the exact same video ( ) ... that was one HARD crosswind landing for sure ... great demonstration of the plane's structural integrity although they should inspect the landing gear trusses as well as the fuselage frames after that one ... not a very good job by the pilots!!!

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good job by the pilots!!!
I wouldn't say that, it's definitely a height bad appreciation leading to this hard landing, the pilot didn't even tried to get back in line with runway before touch-down, clearly showing he thought he was higher.
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Jesus Christ....... that was hard..... amazing bounce and wing flex
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... the pilot didn't even tried to get back in line with runway before touch-down, clearly showing he thought he was higher.
I'll bet the pilot(s) were perspiring after that landing because it clearly wasn't anticipated it appears ... like you said, I think they were pre-occupied with the crosswinds and didn't realize their height above the ground.

They hit the ground sooner than they thought, and then had to make quick adjustments to get the plane back in line with the runway ... could have been ugly if they hadn't reacted quickly enough!
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Wow, would've been interesting being onboard...

I've seen a few onboard videos of some hard landings in the A380. Maybe it's a common issue...
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I'll bet the pilot(s) were perspiring after that landing because it clearly wasn't anticipated it appears ... like you said, I think they were pre-occupied with the crosswinds and didn't realize their height above the ground.
The airbus (like most airliners) has radio altimeter height callouts so the crew would have been aware of their height above the ground. I understand that the aircraft was restricted to particular taxiways that would have presented a problem had they been missed. Couple this with a crosswind and limited dimension runways for such a large aircraft and I suspect the greater importance was in placing the aircraft down at the right spot on the runway. Landing with crab on, is untidy but it happens. Taking the crab off results in the aircraft drifting and this needs to compensated with a wing down. On large 4 engine aircraft (and this one is nearly as large as they come) careful consideration needs to be given to not scraping an engine pod in that process.

At most of the large international airports this aircraft was designed for, these issues would not arise with any great degree of frequency. At small regional airports used for airshows and other PR displays, there are invariably going to be more compromises.

Yes, the landing was firm, but I have seen much worse.
It is most certainly within the parameters of its normal operational design. Airbus will not employ pilots who are not experienced, professional, and aware at all times. That will have been the case here. Nothing fell off, no one was hurt, nothing got broken. The landng was firm, but probably no firmer than 500 more that happened routinely around the world on that, or every other day.

The crab angle on the airplane was dictated by the fact that the course and momentum of the airframe was lined up with the centreline of the runway. If it touches down with the crab on, it doesn't immediately veer off in the direction of crab, it weathercocks towards the line of momentum, hence the tyre smoke etc.

There is a perception that a smooth landing is the ultimate goal of a good pilot, and whilst it might be a goal, any professional pilot will tell you (as will the manufacturers manuals,) that is not to be achieved by sacrificing a stable approach or touching down firmly at the correct point on the Runway touchdown zone. In some circumstances (such as wet runways)a smooth landing can even be possibly dangerous with regards to hydroplaning etc.

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The airbus (like most airliners) has radio altimeter height callouts so the crew would have been aware of their height above the ground. I understand that the aircraft was restricted to particular taxiways that would have presented a problem had they been missed. Couple this with a crosswind and limited dimension runways for such a large aircraft and I suspect the greater importance was in placing the aircraft down at the right spot on the runway. Landing with crab on, is untidy but it happens. Taking the crab off results in the aircraft drifting and this needs to compensated with a wing down. On large 4 engine aircraft (and this one is nearly as large as they come) careful consideration needs to be given to not scraping an engine pod in that process.

At most of the large international airports this aircraft was designed for, these issues would not arise with any great degree of frequency. At small regional airports used for airshows and other PR displays, there are invariably going to be more compromises.

Yes, the landing was firm, but I have seen much worse.
It is most certainly within the parameters of its normal operational design. Airbus will not employ pilots who are not experienced, professional, and aware at all times. That will have been the case here. Nothing fell off, no one was hurt, nothing got broken. The landng was firm, but probably no firmer than 500 more that happened routinely around the world on that, or every other day.

The crab angle on the airplane was dictated by the fact that the course and momentum of the airframe was lined up with the centreline of the runway. If it touches down with the crab on, it doesn't immediately veer off in the direction of crab, it weathercocks towards the line of momentum, hence the tyre smoke etc.

There is a perception that a smooth landing is the ultimate goal of a good pilot, and whilst it might be a goal, any professional pilot will tell you (as will the manufacturers manuals,) that is not to be achieved by sacrificing a stable approach or touching down firmly at the correct point on the Runway touchdown zone. In some circumstances (such as wet runways)a smooth landing can even be possibly dangerous with regards to hydroplaning etc.
After all a good landing is one you can walk off unhurt...
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The airbus (like most airliners) has radio altimeter height callouts so the crew would have been aware of their height above the ground. I understand that the aircraft was restricted to particular taxiways that would have presented a problem had they been missed. Couple this with a crosswind and limited dimension runways for such a large aircraft and I suspect the greater importance was in placing the aircraft down at the right spot on the runway. Landing with crab on, is untidy but it happens. Taking the crab off results in the aircraft drifting and this needs to compensated with a wing down. On large 4 engine aircraft (and this one is nearly as large as they come) careful consideration needs to be given to not scraping an engine pod in that process.

At most of the large international airports this aircraft was designed for, these issues would not arise with any great degree of frequency. At small regional airports used for airshows and other PR displays, there are invariably going to be more compromises.

Yes, the landing was firm, but I have seen much worse.
It is most certainly within the parameters of its normal operational design. Airbus will not employ pilots who are not experienced, professional, and aware at all times. That will have been the case here. Nothing fell off, no one was hurt, nothing got broken. The landng was firm, but probably no firmer than 500 more that happened routinely around the world on that, or every other day.

The crab angle on the airplane was dictated by the fact that the course and momentum of the airframe was lined up with the centreline of the runway. If it touches down with the crab on, it doesn't immediately veer off in the direction of crab, it weathercocks towards the line of momentum, hence the tyre smoke etc.

There is a perception that a smooth landing is the ultimate goal of a good pilot, and whilst it might be a goal, any professional pilot will tell you (as will the manufacturers manuals,) that is not to be achieved by sacrificing a stable approach or touching down firmly at the correct point on the Runway touchdown zone. In some circumstances (such as wet runways)a smooth landing can even be possibly dangerous with regards to hydroplaning etc.
Nice post there VC10 ... thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight!

One other thought ... perhaps due to the length of the runway there, they had to "plant" the plane firmly so as not to overrun the exit ramp, etc. I read something that they were concerned about the airport's layout.
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Dan Grider is a fcuking moron and needs his Herpa DC-3 shoved up his a$$....YES THE 1:1 version.
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Dylan and VC10 have nailed it. Was Grider a walking Boeing advert?? Ive seen heavier landings too.
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