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Old 03-02-2008, 06:31 AM   #1
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Exclamation Lufthansa A320 nearly crashed during crosswind approach at HAM airport.

"Emma" passing Northern Europe and caused strong windgusts, passed 70mph at HAM airport. Heard from JP.net forums that EK A345's were diverted to FRA.

See this scary landing "attempt" at Hamburg Airport, Germany.





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Old 03-02-2008, 06:54 AM   #2
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"Emma" passing Northern Europe and caused strong windgusts, passed 70mph at HAM airport. Hear from JP.net forums that EK A345's were diverted to FRA.

See this scary landing "attempt" at Hamburg Airport, Germany.




Lady Luck was on their side fortunately.
It was a very bold decision from the pilot.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:34 PM   #3
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Lady Luck was on their side fortunately.
It was a very bold decision from the pilot.
Do you mean he should have waited for winds to calm down before landing ?... Anyway, it seems left wingtip needs repairs now.
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Scaring !!!!

Negative point to the LH crew to try to land with this weather conditions. The accident was eminent.
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Negative point to the LH crew to try to land with this weather conditions. The accident was eminent.
This video is now going across the German Internet newspapers. My thoughts were the same at the first moment, but.... what are the alternatives? Emma was everywhere in Germany and there are no other incidents reported like this. So they had bad luck during their seconds of landing, which they overcame by great profession.

The alternative is to shut down the airports at such conditions. Leaving the decision to land or not to the pilot is a mistake in the system, from my point of view.

By the way: Left wingtip was slightly damaged, but is already repaired.
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Old 03-02-2008, 05:35 PM   #6
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While this is not as scary but it involves an LH A346 and a catering truck (pics included):

LH A346 Damaged In FRA — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

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Anyway, it seems left wingtip needs repairs now.
Good thing Airbus assembles the A320 in Hamburg...no worries about spare parts.
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Old 03-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #7
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I felt Emma" in Copenhagen, Denmark yesterday. I almost hit the curb. It wrecked my awesome "Icelandair" Umbrella.

Anyway Thanks for the LH346 ANET link.
It doesn't look that bad, it seems the only damages it got was minors on the flap and maybe fatigue on the flap fairing. But it depends how fast or hard it hit the flap, noh? A picture doesn't tell it, but a cctv tape would be nice as evidence or something.
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Dang, I still wish I could view the video! Can I have the link to it John?
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Dang, I still wish I could view the video! Can I have the link to it John?
You need Adobe Flash installed in your computer.

Here's the link.
Hamburg - A320 nearly crashed during crosswind approach

Update: I guess you don't need the video.

Better photo.
A picture of the Left winglet skidding on the runway.
Lars Tretau's Photo of the landing attempt.

Picture of the damage.

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insane attempt!
glad they made it down sometime in one piece!
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The only thing about that landing was that the pilot waited a little too long to decide to go-around which resulted in the wing stike.
Cross-wind landings are common and with good slide-slip control, no more dangerous that a stright in approach.

Wind shear is what ya gotta worry about.


Why all the drama?
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OMG!...
It was over the runway..OMG! Scary!!
Is it dangerous to decide Go-Around in such altitude above the ground?
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The only thing about that landing was that the pilot waited a little too long to decide to go-around which resulted in the wing stike.
Cross-wind landings are common and with good slide-slip control, no more dangerous that a stright in approach.

Wind shear is what ya gotta worry about.


Why all the drama?
Crosswind landings are very normal, you're right. But this particular crosswind approach was far from normal, hence all the "drama".

It doesn't look to me like the pilots waited too long to commence a go-around. The approach was a little shaky, but the plane touched down just fine, slightly on the upwind side of the runway (which is what is aimed for in a crosswind). It wasn't until the mains had touched down and the engines were (presumably) at idle that a gust kicked the plane around and it became airborne again, drifting off the runway and thus requiring a go-around. The reason for a late go-around probably wasn't due to pilot indecision, but because of the time required for the engines to spool-up from idle.
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How would YOU have liked to have been a passenger aboard THAT plane? I'll bet that many Catholics were reciting the "Rosary", and those that weren't were either praying hard or being "born again" on the spot ... watching it is one thing, but being in that plane is ANOTHER.

I'm sure many had to rush to the nearest restroom for a change of underwear!
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I see this situation at ORD all the time when we have strong winds and the controllers use a crosswind runway.

I never understand this at ORD when we currently have runways to accomodate just about all wind directions for safe landings.

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I'm sure there were plenty of hail marys recited on that a/c. Looks like the winglet struck the runway and will probably be replaced.
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Apart from the crosswinds and unless you were keenly viewing the landing from the window, you could not really tell how bad it was going to be, until the very final moments over the runway. Those bumps and lifts and turns would have caused those screams inside and not the actual approach...the aircraft did not seem to be shaking violently from side to side on finals. Makes me never want to say "Another boring landing" when I touch down safely next time!
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Apart from the crosswinds and unless you were keenly viewing the landing from the window, you could not really tell how bad it was going to be, until the very final moments over the runway. Those bumps and lifts and turns would have caused those screams inside and not the actual approach...the aircraft did not seem to be shaking violently from side to side on finals. Makes me never want to say "Another boring landing" when I touch down safely next time!
I'm glad it wasn't that bad, It could have been much worse, just imagine, a more powerful gusts could have thrown that A320 down flat to the runway, but the Pilots managed to correct it. About the boring landing, I bet a few passengers if not individuals liked it (ofcourse if we had any rollercoaster-riders onboard)
I wonder how the view from the port side looked like on this landing.-
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Better photo.
A picture of the Left winglet skidding on the runway.
[b]Lars Tretau's Photo of the landing attempt.
how in the world do people be at the right place at the right time for these kinds of shots? its bad weather for crying out loud...hardcore spotters i guess with nothing else to do.
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Even spotters have freaks !!
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how in the world do people be at the right place at the right time for these kinds of shots? its bad weather for crying out loud...hardcore spotters i guess with nothing else to do.
All hail the ..All-weather Plane-spotters

Experiences in bad weather regardless of the winds and raindrops, hoping and getting a good shot of a bad landing (God forbid the worst that can happen during a "thypoon" type weather) for the spotters to sell to the newspapers.

If I'm gonna go out there, I need to weatherseal my camerabody first. lol

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I go spotting too, but I'd only go in summer. It's hard enough trying to stand in -10 to -15 for a bus for five to ten minutes, and to have to stand in that same temperature at the airport where it's all open. The bus shelter there is no refuge at all....only serves as a refuge from the cops when they come by..."Oh I'm waiting for the bus, officer" and when they leave, head back to the fence and pin your face into it like a 2 year old . When he came by the second time and I didn't make it back to the shelter in time, he ordered me to the other side of the road, where all the others were standing. Whew, luckily he left me to see the flashing lights instead of taking me along with him in his car with the flashing lights!
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