B787 delayed again?

D-AIHC · 01-16-2008, 10:05 AM

Boeing is expected to formally announce the third delay for the B787 today.

More Delays Plague Boeing's Dreamliner - WSJ.com

"Since September, Boeing has twice announced delays as the schedule has slipped from the original plan to deliver the first airplane this May. In October, Boeing said first delivery had been pushed back until November or December of this year."

"Many important components, including wiring and cockpit instruments, still haven't been installed in the first aircraft, according to people familiar with the situation."

"The new delay makes it unlikely that Boeing will be able to get the 787 certified by the Federal Aviation Administration until early 2009. The first delivery, to Japan's All Nippon Airways Co., would occur after that."

Confirmed: Boeing to Delay 787 First Flight Three More Months (Flightblogger)

"FlightBlogger has confirmed that Boeing is expected to release the announcement of the delay early Wednesday morning. The announcement is expected to move the first flight date to have Dreamliner One or Two making its maiden flight by June 30, 2008, which is the close of the second quarter of the year."

TexAV8R · 01-16-2008, 10:14 AM

Not surprised to hear that at all. Would be nice to see some new pics of the 787 .. there must be a few complete airframes out there.

D-AIHC · 01-16-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TexAV8R

Not surprised to hear that at all. Would be nice to see some new pics of the 787 .. there must be a few complete airframes out there.

Nope, I'm not surprised at all either! Complete airframes yes (I think there are at least 2 of them), but not totally complete aircraft though.

D-AIHC · 01-16-2008, 11:11 AM

Official press release by Boeing:

Boeing: Boeing Shifts Schedule for 787 First Flight

MarinerOne · 01-16-2008, 11:53 AM

Ay-yai-YAI!!!!!

Looks like my trip to Seattle, which started in September of last year, is now going to be sometime during the summer, maybe June, July or August, right in the heart of the Mariners' baseball season.

Well, at least, I can attend a baseball game or two at beautiful Safeco Field ... hopefully they will be having a home stand during that time!

B-16707 · 01-16-2008, 01:51 PM

hah no surprise. just keep it safe boeing

pgmerle · 01-16-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TexAV8R

Not surprised to hear that at all. Would be nice to see some new pics of the 787 .. there must be a few complete airframes out there.

787 one is the only flying frame that is fully assembled
( Signs of Progress, Slippage Across 787 Program (Flightblogger)):
"With Dreamliner One now at assembly station four, the static airframe, ZY997, can move forward to assembly position three on its own recently installed landing gear. This sets the stage for the static airframe to make the move over to Building 40-22 for testing during the month of January.
The fatigue airframe, ZY998, is now wrapping up its structural wing and body join will be moving ahead to position two around the same time as the static airframe."

787 two parts are still scattered accross the world. The pic below is from Boeing

D-AIHC · 01-17-2008, 07:50 PM

Several airlines are talking about seeking compensation from Boeing - NH, JL and QF/JQ:

Boeing 787 delay hits ANA and Qantas: Associated Press Business News: BA - MSN Money

"Australia's Qantas says another delay in delivery of Boeing's new 787 will slow the expansion plans of its budget subsidiary, while All Nippon Airways -- in line to get the first plane -- said it was "extremely unhappy" about the delay."

Bloomberg.com: U.S.#

BBC NEWS | Business | Qantas may seek Dreamliner payout

HOWUDN · 01-17-2008, 08:31 PM

Well isn't that funny to hear. There was Boeing laughing at Airbus and giving them heaps about being late with delivery of the A380, and that they would not have any delays, well who's laughing now they are almost at the same delay time as the Airbus A380 was.

D-AIHC · 01-18-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinerOne

Ay-yai-YAI!!!!!

So, please tell us M1...does your post (#2) in the thread below still stand now that "they" is Boeing instead of Airbus???

http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...-air-show.html

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Originally Posted by MarinerOne

... but what good are orders when they fail to deliver on time?

My position on Boeing's latest delay hasn't changed - it is what it is!!! They've bought themselves at least 3 more months' time to solve their problems with their suppliers. Now is not the time to point fingers at each other but rather sit together and discuss how these problems can be averted when the B787 goes into production. They still have to increase their production rate to compensate for the delays. Obviously, the hardest hit airlines are the ones who are supposed to take deliveries of the B787 from May 2008 till end of 2009.

Hopefully, Boeing will be able to make it up by increasing their production rate down the road. I will expect some "turbulence" during the first 3-6 months of production, which is normal for any new aircraft. As for testing and certification, I really hope Boeing won't stick to their compressed schedule as it is a very risky move. After all, we don't like hear about a 4th delay, do we?

pgmerle · 01-18-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by D-AIHC

Hopefully, Boeing will be able to make it up by increasing their production rate down the road. I will expect some "turbulence" during the first 3-6 months of production, which is normal for any new aircraft. As for testing and certification, I really hope Boeing won't stick to their compressed schedule as it is a very risky move. After all, we don't like hear about a 4th delay, do we?

I am afraid that boeing's problem is not with the production line, at least for now.
Their main issue is the construction of the 7 test airframes and the validation/certification of the 787 solution. Once that done, Production of the models will resume (rather say start in fact).
I am honestly really anxious to see this bird airbone!
But I am also pretty sure that there will be further delays. The delivery targets announced for 2009 are clearly "optimistic".

D-AIHC · 01-18-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pgmerle

I am afraid that boeing's problem is not with the production line, at least for now.

True, we don't know about that yet...but since Boeing is having problems with its suppliers, it is a very real possibility. And they will need to increase production rate to minimise the effect of these delays.

corby78 · 01-18-2008, 07:14 PM

These airlines are trying to get so many moving parts (aka suppliers) together as well as work out kinks in design, construction methods, as well as trouble shoot bugs. I cant imagine the head aches the guys in charge must have. I don't see how any airline manufacture can ever predict when they will be done. Its all about trying to make airlines happy and sell the jets. "If I say they will be done in May, will you buy 5 more?"

TexAV8R · 01-24-2008, 12:18 PM

Peek a boo !
Live from Everett, it's Dreamliner One (Flightblogger)

MarinerOne · 01-24-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TexAV8R

Peek a boo !
Live from Everett, it's Dreamliner One (Flightblogger)

...

Looks like she's about ready to fly!!!

When should I book my tickets to Seattle? Should it be summer or fall or 2008 or 2009 ???

Actually, early summer would be a nice time up in the NW ... I think June/July for a first flight would be awesome.

C'mon Boeing ... get them cockpit windows installed and fire up them engines ... the world is waiting!!!

B-16707 · 01-24-2008, 05:18 PM

looks like they are going to need a new paint job on that.

im over the 787 craze. boeing is slowly pulling an airbus! how much more awesome it would have been if they rolled out a full functional product that taxied by itself to be displayed at that ceremony last year!

Dork · 01-25-2008, 03:25 AM

That whole ceremony is looking pretty silly at this point. Heck, they may as well have a big rollout ceremony for a sonic cruiser if all they have to do is make an empty shell. They could whip one of those up pretty fast and get everybody's attention off their 787 mess.

Ciuffi · 01-25-2008, 07:53 AM

"Bong" B787???

D-AIHC · 01-25-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinerOne

C'mon Boeing ... get them cockpit windows installed and fire up them engines ... the world is waiting!!!

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Originally Posted by B-16707

looks like they are going to need a new paint job on that.

Looks like Dreamliner1 is going to need more than those you both have mentioned (based on the pic) to make its maiden flight.

pgmerle · 01-25-2008, 09:33 AM

The horizontal stab is there, no doubt. This is the radar that is clearly missing. I also seems that there are still some temporary fastener in the nose area.

B-16707 · 01-25-2008, 12:57 PM

haha silly silly boeing. a little over your own heads.

maybe im just bitter that i paid $15 to have them only take me on a 1/6th of the factory tour..... I WANNA SEE ALL 6 SECTIONS OF THE FACTORY DARN IT. ok im calmed down.

D-AIHC · 01-25-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by B-16707

maybe im just bitter that i paid $15 to have them only take me on a 1/6th of the factory tour..... I WANNA SEE ALL 6 SECTIONS OF THE FACTORY DARN IT. ok im calmed down.

Hahaha...just ask for a $12.50 (5/6 of $15) refund from them.

D-AIHC · 02-02-2008, 10:06 AM

Just like a very smooth EIS for A380, there's always good news in delays. As for the B787, it's not all lost as 35% of certification has been completed although it has not made its first flight yet:

787 certification one-third complete: Boeing

"The airframer's chief executive, Jim McNerney, confirmed last week that about 35% of the 787's requirements to obtain airworthiness certification are complete. "Seventy per cent of the certification doesn't have to come from the flight-test programme," said McNerney, addressing Boeing's full-year financial results."

TexAV8R · 02-15-2008, 10:01 AM

Update on Dreamliner 2..

Dreamliner Two Brings Progress for 787 Program (Flightblogger)

01-16-2008, 10:05 AM	#1
D-AIHC Essen Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,192	B787 delayed again? Boeing is expected to formally announce the third delay for the B787 today. More Delays Plague Boeing's Dreamliner - WSJ.com "Since September, Boeing has twice announced delays as the schedule has slipped from the original plan to deliver the first airplane this May. In October, Boeing said first delivery had been pushed back until November or December of this year." "Many important components, including wiring and cockpit instruments, still haven't been installed in the first aircraft, according to people familiar with the situation." "The new delay makes it unlikely that Boeing will be able to get the 787 certified by the Federal Aviation Administration until early 2009. The first delivery, to Japan's All Nippon Airways Co., would occur after that." Confirmed: Boeing to Delay 787 First Flight Three More Months (Flightblogger) "FlightBlogger has confirmed that Boeing is expected to release the announcement of the delay early Wednesday morning. The announcement is expected to move the first flight date to have Dreamliner One or Two making its maiden flight by June 30, 2008, which is the close of the second quarter of the year." __________________ Lufthansa - Star Alliance member since 1997

01-16-2008, 11:11 AM	#4
D-AIHC Essen Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,192	Official press release by Boeing: Boeing: Boeing Shifts Schedule for 787 First Flight __________________ Lufthansa - Star Alliance member since 1997

01-16-2008, 11:53 AM	#5
MarinerOne Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SAN Age: 39 Posts: 1,209	Re: B787 delayed again? Ay-yai-YAI!!!!! Looks like my trip to Seattle, which started in September of last year, is now going to be sometime during the summer, maybe June, July or August, right in the heart of the Mariners' baseball season. Well, at least, I can attend a baseball game or two at beautiful Safeco Field ... hopefully they will be having a home stand during that time!

01-16-2008, 01:51 PM	#6
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,501	Re: B787 delayed again? hah no surprise. just keep it safe boeing __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport 1:200 B773ER details decals have ARRIVED!!!!!! http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

01-17-2008, 07:50 PM	#8
D-AIHC Essen Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,192	Several airlines are talking about seeking compensation from Boeing - NH, JL and QF/JQ: Boeing 787 delay hits ANA and Qantas: Associated Press Business News: BA - MSN Money "Australia's Qantas says another delay in delivery of Boeing's new 787 will slow the expansion plans of its budget subsidiary, while All Nippon Airways -- in line to get the first plane -- said it was "extremely unhappy" about the delay." Bloomberg.com: U.S.# BBC NEWS \| Business \| Qantas may seek Dreamliner payout __________________ Lufthansa - Star Alliance member since 1997

01-16-2008, 10:14 AM	#2
TexAV8R Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 283	Re: B787 delayed again? Not surprised to hear that at all. Would be nice to see some new pics of the 787 .. there must be a few complete airframes out there. __________________ Stay on the bomb run, boys! I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!(Major T.J "King Kong" from the movie Dr. Strangelove)

01-17-2008, 08:31 PM	#9
HOWUDN Junior Collector Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brisbane Australia Age: 26 Posts: 18	Re: B787 delayed again? Well isn't that funny to hear. There was Boeing laughing at Airbus and giving them heaps about being late with delivery of the A380, and that they would not have any delays, well who's laughing now they are almost at the same delay time as the Airbus A380 was.

01-18-2008, 07:14 PM	#13
corby78 Buff man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: north dakota Posts: 245	Re: B787 delayed again? These airlines are trying to get so many moving parts (aka suppliers) together as well as work out kinks in design, construction methods, as well as trouble shoot bugs. I cant imagine the head aches the guys in charge must have. I don't see how any airline manufacture can ever predict when they will be done. Its all about trying to make airlines happy and sell the jets. "If I say they will be done in May, will you buy 5 more?"

01-24-2008, 12:18 PM	#14
TexAV8R Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 283	Re: B787 delayed again? Peek a boo ! Live from Everett, it's Dreamliner One (Flightblogger) __________________ Stay on the bomb run, boys! I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!(Major T.J "King Kong" from the movie Dr. Strangelove)

01-24-2008, 05:18 PM	#16
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,501	Re: B787 delayed again? looks like they are going to need a new paint job on that. im over the 787 craze. boeing is slowly pulling an airbus! how much more awesome it would have been if they rolled out a full functional product that taxied by itself to be displayed at that ceremony last year! __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport 1:200 B773ER details decals have ARRIVED!!!!!! http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

01-25-2008, 03:25 AM	#17
Dork Collector Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Hebron, KY, USA Posts: 57	Re: B787 delayed again? That whole ceremony is looking pretty silly at this point. Heck, they may as well have a big rollout ceremony for a sonic cruiser if all they have to do is make an empty shell. They could whip one of those up pretty fast and get everybody's attention off their 787 mess.

01-25-2008, 07:53 AM	#18
Ciuffi Senior Collector Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 38 Posts: 265	Re: B787 delayed again? "Bong" B787???

01-25-2008, 09:33 AM	#20
pgmerle Papa Golf Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 55	Re: B787 delayed again? The horizontal stab is there, no doubt. This is the radar that is clearly missing. I also seems that there are still some temporary fastener in the nose area.

01-25-2008, 12:57 PM	#21
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,501	Re: B787 delayed again? haha silly silly boeing. a little over your own heads. maybe im just bitter that i paid $15 to have them only take me on a 1/6th of the factory tour..... I WANNA SEE ALL 6 SECTIONS OF THE FACTORY DARN IT. ok im calmed down. __________________ The Completed Customs The Airport 1:200 B773ER details decals have ARRIVED!!!!!! http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tml#post601882

02-02-2008, 10:06 AM	#23
D-AIHC Essen Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,192	Just like a very smooth EIS for A380, there's always good news in delays. As for the B787, it's not all lost as 35% of certification has been completed although it has not made its first flight yet: 787 certification one-third complete: Boeing "The airframer's chief executive, Jim McNerney, confirmed last week that about 35% of the 787's requirements to obtain airworthiness certification are complete. "Seventy per cent of the certification doesn't have to come from the flight-test programme," said McNerney, addressing Boeing's full-year financial results." __________________ Lufthansa - Star Alliance member since 1997

02-15-2008, 10:01 AM	#24
TexAV8R Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 283	Re: B787 delayed again? Update on Dreamliner 2.. Dreamliner Two Brings Progress for 787 Program (Flightblogger) __________________ Stay on the bomb run, boys! I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!(Major T.J "King Kong" from the movie Dr. Strangelove)