America West Coast to Coast Service

Southwest4Boi · 08-13-2003, 11:29 AM

America West Airlines will start flying from Los Angeles to Boston and New York, from San Fransisco to Boston, and New York, from Boston to San Fransisco, and Los Angeles, and from New York to Los Angeles and San Fransicso.

flick70 · 08-14-2003, 01:59 AM

That is the most long-winded description of four new routes I have ever seen.

Good for them. The big-boys need a wake-up call.

08-14-2003, 12:20 PM

AW will be using A319s, and the flights will only be twice daily. I don't know if it will make much of a dent in the transcon business of American, United and Delta. In the JFK-LAX market, AA has 9 daily 767-200s, UA 7 daily 767-200s, and DL 4 or 5 daily 767-300ERs, depending on the season.

JFK-LAX is the single most profitable route in AA's network, so it will be interesting to see how they defend their market share.

One thing that has adversely affected the JFK-LAX route is the fact that the Hollywood crowd who have supported the routes since the 1950s have been abandoning commercial flights because the additional security is a hassle for them, so they are flying more and more on private jets. They can go to a smaller airport, get to their Gulfstream IV in minutes and be on their way. They don't even have to deal with traffic and waiting to take off. Even if they're not quite wealthy enough to own and maintain their own plane, they can timeshare, and it's more "affordable."

Scott · 08-15-2003, 09:02 AM

Someone needs new hubs in PHX and LAS. Oh, wait, that might be Starfish in 2004!!

Southwest4Boi · 08-15-2003, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Scott
Someone needs new hubs in PHX and LAS. Oh, wait, that might be Starfish in 2004!!

Starfish?

tell me more

08-15-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Southwest4Boi
Starfish?

tell me more

The code name given to United's low-cost project, if it ever does come to fruition. I don't think anything has been set in stone yet.

Scott · 08-16-2003, 01:27 AM

"Starfish" is the in-house code for a low-cost United branded airline set for introduction in the 1st quarter of 2004. Thus far 40 existing aircraft will be allocated for the service which will focus on leisure destinations. Pilots, flight attendants, and all maintenance action will be provided by current employees earning the same wages. A few of the projected cities are: Las Vegas, Phoenix, Minneapolis, San Juan, Anchorage (!), San Diego, San Francisco, and approx 10 others initially.

Jeremy · 08-17-2003, 03:57 PM

That is good for them to get back into this market!
HP had a SNA-JFK nonstop at one time.

Travis Campbell · 08-18-2003, 01:18 AM

Hey Scott, any word on the rumors of United World Wide Cargo coming back? I heard they would come back with dedicated freighters (i.e- 747-400F's).

08-18-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Jeremy
That is good for them to get back into this market!
HP had a SNA-JFK nonstop at one time.

AA is currently flying 3 daily 757s on JFK-SNA, and the fares are low, with no coach fare higher than $299. AA is also flying JFK-LGB with the same fare structure, to compete with Jet Blue.

richie154 · 08-18-2003, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Travis Campbell
Hey Scott, any word on the rumors of United World Wide Cargo coming back? I heard they would come back with dedicated freighters (i.e- 747-400F's).

that would be interesting!

Scott · 08-18-2003, 11:33 PM

Good question Travis and Richie.... despite the booming cargo market there are no plans that I know of to restart the worldwide cargo network. There was talk of converting some of the desert-dwelling 747-400's into freighters, but most will be placed into passenger service. During bankruptcy 2 things occurred to raise their value to UA: First, the pilot wages were reduced to 777 pay scales, and then further cut by 30%. Secondly, the lessors for the non UA owned birds were severely hammered to reflect the poor market for the biggest Boeings - something they couldn't achieve with the marketable 777's. Consequently, it's now the cheapest seat-mile aircraft in the UA fleet. Expect them to be flown till they drop!

08-13-2003, 11:29 AM	#1
Southwest4Boi Senior Collector Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mars Posts: 152	America West Coast to Coast Service America West Airlines will start flying from Los Angeles to Boston and New York, from San Fransisco to Boston, and New York, from Boston to San Fransisco, and Los Angeles, and from New York to Los Angeles and San Fransicso. __________________ Fly Southwest!

08-15-2003, 09:02 AM	#4
Scott Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Escondido, Ca. USA Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	Someone needs new hubs in PHX and LAS. Oh, wait, that might be Starfish in 2004!! __________________ Fly the Friendly Skies of United uniTED takes wing Feb 12, 2004

08-16-2003, 01:27 AM	#7
Scott Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Escondido, Ca. USA Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	"Starfish" is the in-house code for a low-cost United branded airline set for introduction in the 1st quarter of 2004. Thus far 40 existing aircraft will be allocated for the service which will focus on leisure destinations. Pilots, flight attendants, and all maintenance action will be provided by current employees earning the same wages. A few of the projected cities are: Las Vegas, Phoenix, Minneapolis, San Juan, Anchorage (!), San Diego, San Francisco, and approx 10 others initially. __________________ Fly the Friendly Skies of United uniTED takes wing Feb 12, 2004

08-17-2003, 03:57 PM	#8
Jeremy Master Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: BAA Indianapolis Posts: 583	That is good for them to get back into this market! HP had a SNA-JFK nonstop at one time. __________________ One Nation under God There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

08-18-2003, 11:33 PM	#12
Scott Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Escondido, Ca. USA Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	Good question Travis and Richie.... despite the booming cargo market there are no plans that I know of to restart the worldwide cargo network. There was talk of converting some of the desert-dwelling 747-400's into freighters, but most will be placed into passenger service. During bankruptcy 2 things occurred to raise their value to UA: First, the pilot wages were reduced to 777 pay scales, and then further cut by 30%. Secondly, the lessors for the non UA owned birds were severely hammered to reflect the poor market for the biggest Boeings - something they couldn't achieve with the marketable 777's. Consequently, it's now the cheapest seat-mile aircraft in the UA fleet. Expect them to be flown till they drop! __________________ Fly the Friendly Skies of United uniTED takes wing Feb 12, 2004

08-14-2003, 01:59 AM	#2
flick70 Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omaha Age: 38 Posts: 1,042	That is the most long-winded description of four new routes I have ever seen. Good for them. The big-boys need a wake-up call.

08-14-2003, 12:20 PM	#3
NYCAAer Guest Posts: n/a	AW will be using A319s, and the flights will only be twice daily. I don't know if it will make much of a dent in the transcon business of American, United and Delta. In the JFK-LAX market, AA has 9 daily 767-200s, UA 7 daily 767-200s, and DL 4 or 5 daily 767-300ERs, depending on the season. JFK-LAX is the single most profitable route in AA's network, so it will be interesting to see how they defend their market share. One thing that has adversely affected the JFK-LAX route is the fact that the Hollywood crowd who have supported the routes since the 1950s have been abandoning commercial flights because the additional security is a hassle for them, so they are flying more and more on private jets. They can go to a smaller airport, get to their Gulfstream IV in minutes and be on their way. They don't even have to deal with traffic and waiting to take off. Even if they're not quite wealthy enough to own and maintain their own plane, they can timeshare, and it's more "affordable."

08-18-2003, 01:18 AM	#9
Travis Campbell Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Detroit, Michigan (Roughly) Age: 27 Posts: 1,067	Hey Scott, any word on the rumors of United World Wide Cargo coming back? I heard they would come back with dedicated freighters (i.e- 747-400F's).

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