America West's new route

Southwest4Boi · 06-30-2003, 08:33 PM

On the America West website it says they will fly from Ontario to Lake Havuse City on the B1900. Is ontario going to be a mini AW hub? Cuz they got rid of the coulmbus one.

TL925 · 07-01-2003, 12:23 AM

If Ontario does become a minihub for America West, I highly doubt there would be any correlation to the Columbus hub being shut down. The Columbus hub towards the end of its days was primarily RJ's, and the loss of the hub was not too bad because all the RJ's were transferred to Delta who started routes to new cities in Florida and the East Coast. If I recall correctly, America West said that they wouldn't have shut down the hub had Delta not offered to buy the RJ's AWA was using.

Chansen · 07-01-2003, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Southwest4Boi
On the America West website it says they will fly from Ontario to Lake Havuse City on the B1900. Is ontario going to be a mini AW hub? Cuz they got rid of the coulmbus one.

That sounds like an operation of Mesa Airlines operating as America West Express. These Express companies offen get confused for the main Operating airline name. This is a franchise! Look at Mesa's America West Express route map. They operate B 1900D's!

Michael Magdaleno · 07-01-2003, 10:28 AM

they still fly Dash-8's to Yuma,see them everyday.

Chansen · 07-01-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Michael Magdaleno
they still fly Dash-8's to Yuma,see them everyday.

A friend that worked at Mesa then worked at Great Lakes and now Frontier. I remember before 9/11 going on the tarmac at one time seeing those.

F27 Bonanza · 07-01-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Southwest4Boi
On the America West website it says they will fly from Ontario to Lake Havuse City on the B1900. Is ontario going to be a mini AW hub?

That flight will be operated by Air Midwest dba/America West Express. ONT is not going to be a hub what so ever.

Greg

Chansen · 07-01-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by F27 Bonanza
That flight will be operated by Air Midwest dba/America West Express. ONT is not going to be a hub what so ever.

Greg

Air Midwest is subsidiary of Mesa Air Group!

F27 Bonanza · 07-01-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by TL925
The Columbus hub towards the end of its days was primarily RJ's, and the loss of the hub was not too bad because all the RJ's were transferred to Delta who started routes to new cities in Florida and the East Coast. If I recall correctly, America West said that they wouldn't have shut down the hub had Delta not offered to buy the RJ's AWA was using.

The CMH hub RJs were operated by both Mesa and Chautauqua airlines. The Mesa CRJs were transfered to all of the other operations they have going on and same goes for the Chautauqua ERJs. Delta Airlines had nothing to do with the closing of the CMH hub what so ever. They didn't buy any of RJs. I believe that Chautauqua is operating for Delta in Florida with the ERJs. Delta was one of the first airlines to add flights in and out of CMH after America West announced the were closing the hub.

Greg

F27 Bonanza · 07-01-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Craig H. Hansen
Air Midwest is subsidiary of Mesa Air Group!

I'm aware of that. The B-1900 operations out of PHX as America West Express are all operated by Air Midwest, not by Mesa.

Greg

Chansen · 07-01-2003, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by F27 Bonanza
I'm aware of that. The B-1900 operations out of PHX as America West Express are all operated by Air Midwest, not by Mesa.

Greg

Funny that is not how the website shows it!

http://www.mesa-air.com/airlines.html

F27 Bonanza · 07-01-2003, 05:13 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Craig H. Hansen
[b]Funny that is not how the website shows it!

OK how about this. Go to the America West web site and select flight schedules. Enter the Ontario-Lake Havasu route and tell me if the little icons next to the flight info are not Air Midwest and it does not say flights operated by Air Midwest doing business as America West Express. Evidently the Mesa web site is not up to date because Air Midwest has been operating out here for a while now. I'm not trying to nit pick Craig I just know this information for a fact so that's why I posted it.

Greg

Chansen · 07-01-2003, 05:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by F27 Bonanza
[b]

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Originally posted by Craig H. Hansen
Funny that is not how the website shows it!

OK how about this. Go to the America West web site and select flight schedules. Enter the Ontario-Lake Havasu route and tell me if the little icons next to the flight info are not Air Midwest and it does not say flights operated by Air Midwest doing business as America West Express. Evidently the Mesa web site is not up to date because Air Midwest has been operating out here for a while now. I'm not trying to nit pick Craig I just know this information for a fact so that's why I posted it.

Greg

You are correct! Damn Mesa. They have always been late on stuff like that. Thanks for the correction.

TL925 · 07-01-2003, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by F27 Bonanza
The CMH hub RJs were operated by both Mesa and Chautauqua airlines. The Mesa CRJs were transfered to all of the other operations they have going on and same goes for the Chautauqua ERJs. Delta Airlines had nothing to do with the closing of the CMH hub what so ever. They didn't buy any of RJs. I believe that Chautauqua is operating for Delta in Florida with the ERJs. Delta was one of the first airlines to add flights in and out of CMH after America West announced the were closing the hub.

Greg

I know that AWA's RJ's out of Columbus were operated by Chautauqua, but I read in an article in The Columbus Dispatch, that said if Delta hadn't offered America West to take over Chautauqua's aircraft, then America West would not have closed its hub. If America West had closed its Columbus hub had Delta not offered to take the aircraft, then they would have lost more money then they were already losing because they'd have to still pay Chautauqua without generating any revenue out of the contract to use Chautauqua's aircraft.

9V-SVC · 07-01-2003, 10:24 PM

Questions about America West :

They operated a few Boeing 747-200s right ? Where did they fly to ? Are there any chance of them buying widebodies and expanding their network to Asia or Europe ?

Thanks .

TL925 · 07-02-2003, 02:07 AM

America West purchased 747's prior to their second bankruptcy in the early 1990's. At the time, they used the 747's on flights to both Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan. The routes proved unpopular, and were therefore dropped during the bankruptcy restructuring. I would say that there is a 0-5% chance that America West ever start flights to the Far East again.

Lufthansa · 07-03-2003, 09:46 AM

Is the airport of Lake Havasu City having a terminal at all?

On one day last summer we were driving from Las Vegas to Lake Havasu City to visit the London Bridge and there we were also passing the airport, but I didn´t see anything that could have been a terminal!
So where is their Terminal? Has anybody pictures of it?

flick70 · 07-03-2003, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Lufthansa
Is the airport of Lake Havasu City having a terminal at all?

On one day last summer we were driving from Las Vegas to Lake Havasu City to visit the London Bridge and there we were also passing the airport, but I didn´t see anything that could have been a terminal!
So where is their Terminal? Has anybody pictures of it?

Best I could find was an arial shot of it...

Lufthansa · 07-04-2003, 08:55 AM

Thanks for the pic flick70!

I was driving on that boring Highway on the right side of the airport and all I saw was a FedEX Feeder Cessna.

Chansen · 07-07-2003, 02:10 PM

Lufthansa · 07-07-2003, 02:42 PM

Thank You!

This is a very good pic.
Now, can you tell me if one of these buildings Lake Havasu City´s terminal is?

Chansen · 07-07-2003, 02:53 PM

Looks to be angled at 45 degrees off of main apron.

06-30-2003, 08:33 PM	#1
Southwest4Boi Senior Collector Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mars Posts: 152	America West's new route On the America West website it says they will fly from Ontario to Lake Havuse City on the B1900. Is ontario going to be a mini AW hub? Cuz they got rid of the coulmbus one. __________________ Fly Southwest!

07-01-2003, 05:13 PM	#11
F27 Bonanza Senior Collector Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Salt Lake City,UT Age: 35 Posts: 210	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: America West's new route [quote]Originally posted by Craig H. Hansen [b]Funny that is not how the website shows it! OK how about this. Go to the America West web site and select flight schedules. Enter the Ontario-Lake Havasu route and tell me if the little icons next to the flight info are not Air Midwest and it does not say flights operated by Air Midwest doing business as America West Express. Evidently the Mesa web site is not up to date because Air Midwest has been operating out here for a while now. I'm not trying to nit pick Craig I just know this information for a fact so that's why I posted it. Greg

07-01-2003, 10:24 PM	#14
9V-SVC AirBoeingBus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 4,587	Questions about America West : They operated a few Boeing 747-200s right ? Where did they fly to ? Are there any chance of them buying widebodies and expanding their network to Asia or Europe ? Thanks . __________________ My jetphotos.net photos Plane pictures.net photos Let's welcome Boeing newest product, the Boeing 7E7.

07-03-2003, 09:46 AM	#16
Lufthansa Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Im MV scheint mir die Sonne aussm Arsch Age: 22 Posts: 2,513	One question: Is the airport of Lake Havasu City having a terminal at all? On one day last summer we were driving from Las Vegas to Lake Havasu City to visit the London Bridge and there we were also passing the airport, but I didn´t see anything that could have been a terminal! So where is their Terminal? Has anybody pictures of it?

07-07-2003, 02:10 PM	#19
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,041	Here is a photo from Airliners.net!

07-01-2003, 12:23 AM	#2
TL925 Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 529	If Ontario does become a minihub for America West, I highly doubt there would be any correlation to the Columbus hub being shut down. The Columbus hub towards the end of its days was primarily RJ's, and the loss of the hub was not too bad because all the RJ's were transferred to Delta who started routes to new cities in Florida and the East Coast. If I recall correctly, America West said that they wouldn't have shut down the hub had Delta not offered to buy the RJ's AWA was using.

07-01-2003, 10:28 AM	#4
Michael Magdaleno Senior Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Yuma Az. USA Age: 46 Posts: 326	they still fly Dash-8's to Yuma,see them everyday.

07-02-2003, 02:07 AM	#15
TL925 Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 529	America West purchased 747's prior to their second bankruptcy in the early 1990's. At the time, they used the 747's on flights to both Honolulu and Nagoya, Japan. The routes proved unpopular, and were therefore dropped during the bankruptcy restructuring. I would say that there is a 0-5% chance that America West ever start flights to the Far East again.

07-04-2003, 08:55 AM	#18
Lufthansa Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Im MV scheint mir die Sonne aussm Arsch Age: 22 Posts: 2,513	Thanks for the pic flick70! I was driving on that boring Highway on the right side of the airport and all I saw was a FedEX Feeder Cessna.

07-07-2003, 02:42 PM	#20
Lufthansa Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Im MV scheint mir die Sonne aussm Arsch Age: 22 Posts: 2,513	Thank You! This is a very good pic. Now, can you tell me if one of these buildings Lake Havasu City´s terminal is?

07-07-2003, 02:53 PM	#21
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,041	Building lower right off of apron! Looks to be angled at 45 degrees off of main apron.

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