Iraqi Flights

DeltaFlot · 06-15-2003, 04:48 AM

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Department of Transportation Friday approved the applications of three U.S. airlines to provide air service to Iraq.

Those applications -- on behalf of Northwest Airlines, World Airways and Kalitta Air -- still must be cleared by the Federal Aviation Administration, the Transportation Security Administration, the Department of Defense and other federal agencies, according to a statement on Department of Transportation's Web site.

Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta said re-establishing air service to Iraq would aid in that country's recovery.

"While our action today is only an initial step to restoring air service, it is a significant step toward a safe and secure aviation link with Iraq," Mineta said in the statement.

It's not known when the air service to Iraq will begin.

According to the Department of Transportation statement, World Airways plans to provide passenger and cargo service between Washington Dulles International Airport and Baghdad, via Geneva, Switzerland. Northwest's application says it will operate passenger and cargo service between several U.S. and Iraqi cities, via Amsterdam. Kalitta -- a cargo service -- will fly between the United States and Iraq, with additional service to Kuwait and Jordan.

United Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Air Lines have existing certificates to fly to Iraq, the statement said.

Spider-man · 06-15-2003, 10:15 AM

I can't believe this. First they approved flights for a Swiss carrier from Washington to Kabul via Geneva now they approve U.S carriers to fly to Baghdad. These two countries are still unstable and Afghanistan most likely still flilled with terrorist.

I don't understand how they could not allow a Beirut flight when they allow these two.

Lufthansa · 06-15-2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spider-man
I can't believe this. First they approved flights for a Swiss carrier from Washington to Kabul via Geneva now they approve U.S carriers to fly to Baghdad. These two countries are still unstable and Afghanistan most likely still flilled with terrorist.

I don't understand how they could not allow a Beirut flight when they allow these two.

I can´t believe this, too! AND: Who should fly to Bagdad or Kabul and for which reason? Nobody would make holidays there and I think there are also no companies setteled.

Hernan Matos · 06-15-2003, 12:01 PM

Guys,
It's all politic! I cant imagine iraqui civilians coming to the US.I can only picture politicians and the military using these flights! very sad.

Spider-man · 06-15-2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hernan Matos
Guys,
It's all politic! I cant imagine iraqui civilians coming to the US.I can only picture politicians and the military using these flights! very sad.

Couldn't agree with you more. Politics gets involved in everything these days.

Yukon 880 · 06-15-2003, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hernan Matos
Guys,
It's all politic! I cant imagine iraqui civilians coming to the US.I can only picture politicians and the military using these flights! very sad.

Hernan,

I have a hard time believing the narrow-minded views that I am seeing here. Have you ever met an Iraqi? Do you have any friends that are Iraqi and living and working here in the USA?

Who wants to go to Iraq???

How about the millions of people that live in the USA, that are from, or have ancestors from Iraq! Do you think that maybe they would like to return someday and see relatives?

How about those Iraqi civilians that you speak of, do you think that they may want to come to America to visit their family members that are already here?

Are politics involved? Sure!

Is there a hell of a lot of money to be made? Sure!

Will it potentially benefit a significant number of people? You bet!

You guys certainly have your opinions, as do I. Isn't it nice to know that you live in a relatively free society where you are free to voice your opinions. Whatever they may be.

Don

Travis Campbell · 06-15-2003, 06:00 PM

I know for a fact that Detroit and it's suburbs have a large Iraqi population. With that said, I am sure Northwest, with a hub here, will make alot of money from future commercial services to and from Iraq.

06-15-2003, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yukon 880
Hernan,

I have a hard time believing the narrow-minded views that I am seeing here. Have you ever met an Iraqi? Do you have any friends that are Iraqi and living and working here in the USA?

Who wants to go to Iraq???

How about the millions of people that live in the USA, that are from, or have ancestors from Iraq! Do you think that maybe they would like to return someday and see relatives?

How about those Iraqi civilians that you speak of, do you think that they may want to come to America to visit their family members that are already here?

Are politics involved? Sure!

Is there a hell of a lot of money to be made? Sure!

Will it potentially benefit a significant number of people? You bet!

You guys certainly have your opinions, as do I. Isn't it nice to know that you live in a relatively free society where you are free to voice your opinions. Whatever they may be.

Don

Don't mind ol Spidy he's just mad that Air Canada can't fly to Beiruit cuz of that damn US government

Ol Hernan he just one of those Florida democrats that can't tell which chad to punch.

Hernan Matos · 06-15-2003, 06:53 PM

Yukon,
As a veteran I know what im talking about. I was there not once but twice as a tank crew man.I was part of Delta 4/64AR[FT. Stewart,GA].
You just another fanatic that doesnt know what you are talking about.like theyre going to let those people to travel freely by air.
By the way, do you have tv/cable in your igloo?

BHopper88 · 06-15-2003, 07:08 PM

first off being from detroit as well, which has one of the largest arabic communities outside of the middle east (especially those of iraqi desent), it completely makes sense that Northwest would take advantage of this opportunity. They never said they are going to start flights up right now but they want the option to do this. There would be lots of familys on both ends traveling to see each other, those moving back to iraq and some bringing families together again after many years in the US. Plus minneapolis also has a large iraqi population so this makes NW a prime choice once operations do come together.

For the cargo airlines this is HUGE MONEY, with all the aid going to iraq to rebuild the country from US businesses this will just bring in more cash for such airlines...

Spider-man · 06-15-2003, 10:54 PM

It is really tough to say how well these flights will do. Cargo, will be no problem, I can definately see these work out. As for passenger flights, I would have to agree with Hernan. There will most likely be quite a lot of civilians possibly going to Iraq from the U.S, however, at this point I do not see any Iraqi civilians flying to the U.S. It will probably be hard for them to get visas, U.S have very strict security towards Arabs, and most of these
people probably will not be able to afford to fly. The majority of the people are in poverty and just have enough for food and water. These flights will indeed be ideal for politicians and military personel. These flights will not work out for tourism, just for family from the U.S to see family in Iraq.

Spider-man · 06-15-2003, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZK-NBT
Don't mind ol Spidy he's just mad that Air Canada can't fly to Beiruit cuz of that damn US government

You got it

richie154 · 06-16-2003, 11:22 PM

well, i can fully understand why some people, especially in a little city called Fremont would love to fly to Afghanistan...Fremont has the largest Afghan population outside of Kabul; they actually call their part of town "Little Kabul". also, i heard somewhere that theres a large Iraqi population in Detroit (or somewhere NW serves) so thats why they wanted to fly to Baghdad.

Yukon 880 · 06-16-2003, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hernan Matos
Yukon,
As a veteran I know what im talking about. I was there not once but twice as a tank crew man.I was part of Delta 4/64AR[FT. Stewart,GA].
You just another fanatic that doesnt know what you are talking about.like theyre going to let those people to travel freely by air.
By the way, do you have tv/cable in your igloo?

Hernan,

Just want to let you know, for starters that I had to mush the dog team into town because I did not have access to the internet way out in the valley. It was an uneventful trip though, not too much traffic on the "Mushway!"

You say that you have been to Iraq twice now as part of a tank crew? I am sure that you do know what you are talking about, and I am just camping out here in my igloo and chewing on some whale fat. I guess the Iraqis that you came in contact with were not too friendly to you while you were there with your TANK. But then, as you say, YOU do know what YOU are talking about.

You say, they are not going to let those people travel freely by air. So now, you are uniquely qualified to make the determination of what will be the future relations of the USA/Iraq. I don't suppose that as time progresses we "may" see normalized relations with Iraq? And if we do, then do you think that maybe, just maybe, it will be a little easier to travel between the two countries? You may have no desire to make a return visit, but others may.

Well, it has been a pleasure exchanging viewpoints once again, I do seem to have views different than your own. I better go now, I have to feed and water the huskies, I don't want them to sit out in the sun too long. And I better get back to the igloo and make sure that it doesn't melt.

Don

Sentinel Chicken · 06-16-2003, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spider-man
I can't believe this. First they approved flights for a Swiss carrier from Washington to Kabul via Geneva now they approve U.S carriers to fly to Baghdad. These two countries are still unstable and Afghanistan most likely still flilled with terrorist.

I don't understand how they could not allow a Beirut flight when they allow these two.

Maybe Afghanistan and Iraq should stock up on some "freedom fighters" like Lebanon's got plenty of and that might even the score a bit for you.

Travelin' Man · 06-17-2003, 12:33 AM

Of course UAL and American, two airlines that are crying for business droped the ball on this one. Figures, anyhting that could make money they are nowhere around. You think with all them KBR contracts in Iraq, that is a lot of money for the airlines to make.

06-15-2003, 04:48 AM	#1
DeltaFlot The Patriot Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Laurel, MD Age: 36 Posts: 3,228	Iraqi Flights WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Department of Transportation Friday approved the applications of three U.S. airlines to provide air service to Iraq. Those applications -- on behalf of Northwest Airlines, World Airways and Kalitta Air -- still must be cleared by the Federal Aviation Administration, the Transportation Security Administration, the Department of Defense and other federal agencies, according to a statement on Department of Transportation's Web site. Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta said re-establishing air service to Iraq would aid in that country's recovery. "While our action today is only an initial step to restoring air service, it is a significant step toward a safe and secure aviation link with Iraq," Mineta said in the statement. It's not known when the air service to Iraq will begin. According to the Department of Transportation statement, World Airways plans to provide passenger and cargo service between Washington Dulles International Airport and Baghdad, via Geneva, Switzerland. Northwest's application says it will operate passenger and cargo service between several U.S. and Iraqi cities, via Amsterdam. Kalitta -- a cargo service -- will fly between the United States and Iraq, with additional service to Kuwait and Jordan. United Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Air Lines have existing certificates to fly to Iraq, the statement said. __________________ Febuary 15, 1898 December 7, 1941 June 8, 1967 September 11, 2001 Never Forget, Never Forgive If you kick the Tiger in the arse, you better be able to deal with the Tiger's teeth.

06-15-2003, 10:15 AM	#2
Spider-man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, North America, Earth, Milky Way, Universe Posts: 1,636	I can't believe this. First they approved flights for a Swiss carrier from Washington to Kabul via Geneva now they approve U.S carriers to fly to Baghdad. These two countries are still unstable and Afghanistan most likely still flilled with terrorist. I don't understand how they could not allow a Beirut flight when they allow these two. __________________ Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man

06-15-2003, 12:01 PM	#4
Hernan Matos Master Collector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orlando,Fl.32807 Age: 42 Posts: 530	Guys, It's all politic! I cant imagine iraqui civilians coming to the US.I can only picture politicians and the military using these flights! very sad. __________________ 'Whatever it takes' Southwest airlines

06-15-2003, 06:53 PM	#9
Hernan Matos Master Collector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Orlando,Fl.32807 Age: 42 Posts: 530	Yukon, As a veteran I know what im talking about. I was there not once but twice as a tank crew man.I was part of Delta 4/64AR[FT. Stewart,GA]. You just another fanatic that doesnt know what you are talking about.like theyre going to let those people to travel freely by air. By the way, do you have tv/cable in your igloo? __________________ 'Whatever it takes' Southwest airlines

06-15-2003, 10:54 PM	#11
Spider-man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, North America, Earth, Milky Way, Universe Posts: 1,636	It is really tough to say how well these flights will do. Cargo, will be no problem, I can definately see these work out. As for passenger flights, I would have to agree with Hernan. There will most likely be quite a lot of civilians possibly going to Iraq from the U.S, however, at this point I do not see any Iraqi civilians flying to the U.S. It will probably be hard for them to get visas, U.S have very strict security towards Arabs, and most of these people probably will not be able to afford to fly. The majority of the people are in poverty and just have enough for food and water. These flights will indeed be ideal for politicians and military personel. These flights will not work out for tourism, just for family from the U.S to see family in Iraq. __________________ Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man

06-15-2003, 06:00 PM	#7
Travis Campbell Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Detroit, Michigan (Roughly) Age: 27 Posts: 1,067	I know for a fact that Detroit and it's suburbs have a large Iraqi population. With that said, I am sure Northwest, with a hub here, will make alot of money from future commercial services to and from Iraq.

06-15-2003, 07:08 PM	#10
BHopper88 Master Collector Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Home: Beverly Hills, Michigan (burb of Detroit), School: Grand Forks, North Dakota Age: 30 Posts: 547	first off being from detroit as well, which has one of the largest arabic communities outside of the middle east (especially those of iraqi desent), it completely makes sense that Northwest would take advantage of this opportunity. They never said they are going to start flights up right now but they want the option to do this. There would be lots of familys on both ends traveling to see each other, those moving back to iraq and some bringing families together again after many years in the US. Plus minneapolis also has a large iraqi population so this makes NW a prime choice once operations do come together. For the cargo airlines this is HUGE MONEY, with all the aid going to iraq to rebuild the country from US businesses this will just bring in more cash for such airlines...

06-16-2003, 11:22 PM	#13
richie154 Retired Hookah Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Valley of Heart's Delight Age: 24 Posts: 3,719	well, i can fully understand why some people, especially in a little city called Fremont would love to fly to Afghanistan...Fremont has the largest Afghan population outside of Kabul; they actually call their part of town "Little Kabul". also, i heard somewhere that theres a large Iraqi population in Detroit (or somewhere NW serves) so thats why they wanted to fly to Baghdad. __________________ The Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villian with a smiling cheek, a goodly apple rotten at the heart. Oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath! Private Pilot: 10/20/2005 Private Multi Engine: 05/09/2008 The more things change, the more Mesa still sucks.

06-17-2003, 12:33 AM	#16
Travelin' Man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Aspen USA!!! Posts: 1,919	Of course UAL and American, two airlines that are crying for business droped the ball on this one. Figures, anyhting that could make money they are nowhere around. You think with all them KBR contracts in Iraq, that is a lot of money for the airlines to make.

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