United Airlines rolls out plan to charge lowest-fare flyers to use overhead bins!
Yikes. What's next for the economy passenger (my bad = basic economy passenger) going to have to pay extra for on UA? I'm guessing to use the bathroom will require the pax to pull out their credit card? I wonder if the other N.American carriers will follow UA's lead? Curious on how tightly they will enforce this = "No Bin for You BE Pax policy"?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/united-air...150428966.html
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- United Continental will become the first major U.S. air carrier to limit its lowest-fare customers to one carry-on bag that fits under the seat in front of them — not the overhead bin, which will be reserved for those who paid more.
The airline made the announcement in unveiling a series of new policies that it hopes will add up to almost $4.8 billion US in cost savings over the next four years.
Starting in January, America's third largest airline will roll out a new fare class, known as "basic economy."
"This new offering provides customers the option of paying the lowest fares to their destinations, while still receiving the same standard economy experience, including food, beverage, Wi-Fi and personal device entertainment, with a few key differences," the airline said.
Among them:
- No pre-assigned seating. Your seat number will be issued to you only on the day of travel
- You will board last, after all other passengers, in a new boarding group — group 5.
- You'll be allowed only one personal carry-on item that must fit under the seat in front.
"Customers have told us that they want more choice and basic economy delivers just that," United's COO Julia Haywood said.
It may sound unpleasant, but that too is an added benefit — from the airline's perspective.
The airline is banking on people being willing to pay extra to use the overhead bins as a new source of revenue. And even if they're not, the plan should save the company money by speeding up the boarding process as people will have fewer onboard bags to find space for onboard.
The move goes one step further than actions by Delta and American, which this year already moved to eliminate reserved seating, the ability to change travel plans on the same day without a fee, and the ability to accrue frequent flyer miles on its cheapest fares.
But United's move makes it the first to attempt to monetize carry-on to this level.
While the airline is pitching the plan as giving consumers more choice, one prominent traveller advocacy group isn't buying it.
"These airlines are claiming that they are offering more choice and better service, while they eliminate amenities and charge more and more fees," Charlie Leocha of Travelers United said.
"Consumers should have a right to honest advertising and understandable pricing. They should have a right to compensation when paid services are not rendered,"
"When passengers are suffering while the airlines are making profits hand-over-fist, that is when regulations come into play," Leocha said.
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Hmmm.
- No pre-assigned seating. Your seat number will be issued to you only on the day of travel
- You will board last, after all other passengers, in a new boarding group — group 5.
- You'll be allowed only one personal carry-on item that must fit under the seat in front.
"Customers have told us that they want more choice and basic economy delivers just that," United's COO Julia Haywood said.
I never read such an 'oxymoron' statement! !
FYI = Julia, you took away their choices; but you state to the media 'customers have told us/UA they want more choices...'; do you see the disconnect here?
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Originally Posted by T7_4ever
Hmmm.
- No pre-assigned seating. Your seat number will be issued to you only on the day of travel
- You will board last, after all other passengers, in a new boarding group — group 5.
- You'll be allowed only one personal carry-on item that must fit under the seat in front.
"Customers have told us that they want more choice and basic economy delivers just that," United's COO Julia Haywood said.
I never read such an 'oxymoron' statement! !
FYI = Julia, you took away their choices; but you state to the media 'customers have told us/UA they want more choices...'; do you see the disconnect here?
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Old choices:
First, premium economy, regular economy.
Using the mathematical process of addition, we add each individual choice to get a sum. In this case, it's 3
If we look at the new choices available from United; first, premium economy, regular economy, and panhandler class, we again apply the mathematical process of addition and arrive at a sum of 4
Does Julia's statement now make sense? Do you need to retake remedial 1st grade mathematics?
That is bloody funny! UA won't install the coin operated lavatory; guessing it would weigh too much and that cut's into fuel costs. Thank you and I appreciate that video in this thread you posted. Cheers! T7
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Old choices:
First, premium economy, regular economy.
Using the mathematical process of addition, we add each individual choice to get a sum. In this case, it's 3
If we look at the new choices available from United; first, premium economy, regular economy, and panhandler class, we again apply the mathematical process of addition and arrive at a sum of 4
Does Julia's statement now make sense? Do you need to retake remedial 1st grade mathematics?
Oh my. Why do you always try to instigate something on DAC threads? Did somebody hurt your feelings this morning? You really gotta get that huge chip off your shoulder.
Let's face the facts with UA's new revenue generating method = Overhead Bin charging for folks who are trying to save their hard earned money when travelling the friendly skies. It's basically a 'nickel and diming' shot at this new 4th or 5th class flier. I can't imagine what they have next for the 'basic econo pax' .
I would like to challenge Julia to hang out at O'Hare and approach UA passengers on their new overhead bin charging; here is the question she should pose/ask the UA passengers flying economy = Excuse me. How do you feel about United Airlines new policy for charging our flying passengers in Basic Economy to use the overhead bins? I'm guessing that the replies will not be too pleasant! That's a true measure of how UA customers particularly feel about this overhead bin charge.
So if you are flying 'basic economy' on UA = you have no choice but to fork over more money to utilize the overhead bin, you have no choice but to wait for 1st Class, Business Class, Premium Economy Class, Economy Class to board first, even if you are disabled? Or you are a senior citizen? Or you have small children and babies in tow? Don't know if those would be the exceptions to the rule?
My advice to Dylan, please don't be so 'bitter' and 'antagonistic' on the DAC. I don't know if you feed off that type of negative behavior to make yourself feel 'above' others? Or you just do it for kicks? All your doing is degrading yourself on the DAC when you post such demeaning comments towards another DAC member. Here's a little tidbit for you = when other DAC members read your comment/post in this thread; their reaction falls in line with all the others reading this thread = What's this guy's problem?
Congrats on your new president!
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I have a feeling the Chief Executive Officers at the Asian (Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, etc.), and Middle Eastern Airlines (Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, etc.) are having a good chuckle at United Airline's expense with the UA 'Overhead Bin' charging. They are all probably saying 'How desperate can you be to extract more money from your passengers?'
There are many valid reasons why people prefer flying on Asian and Middle Eastern Airlines rather than N. American carriers for international travel; and this just adds to that growing list.
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That is bloody funny! UA won't install the coin operated lavatory; guessing it would weigh too much and that cut's into fuel costs. Thank you and I appreciate that video in this thread you posted. Cheers! T7
Probably not coin operated, but they will install a card reader to swipe your credit card for usage. Their flight staff, at least for the PVG-USA flights, do not take cash for onboard purchases anymore.
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Probably not coin operated, but they will install a card reader to swipe your credit card for usage. Their flight staff, at least for the PVG-USA flights, do not take cash for onboard purchases anymore.
True to that. My apologies, it's been awhile since I've flown on UA.
Hmm. I'm wondering if UA will next implement the 'charge by usage/time' for basic econo passengers if they want to utilize the entertainment systems on the back of the seats? Oh No! I've given UA their next revenue grabbing option!
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Let's face the facts with UA's new revenue generating method = Overhead Bin charging for folks who are trying to save their hard earned money when travelling the friendly skies. It's basically a 'nickel and diming' shot at this new 4th or 5th class flier. I can't imagine what they have next for the 'basic econo pax' .
I would like to challenge Julia to hang out at O'Hare and approach UA passengers on their new overhead bin charging; here is the question she should pose/ask the UA passengers flying economy = Excuse me. How do you feel about United Airlines new policy for charging our flying passengers in Basic Economy to use the overhead bins? I'm guessing that the replies will not be too pleasant! That's a true measure of how UA customers particularly feel about this overhead bin charge.
So if you are flying 'basic economy' on UA = you have no choice but to fork over more money to utilize the overhead bin, you have no choice but to wait for 1st Class, Business Class, Premium Economy Class, Economy Class to board first, even if you are disabled? Or you are a senior citizen? Or you have small children and babies in tow? Don't know if those would be the exceptions to the rule?
Obviously you're not getting it, and I believe trying to explain it further is a lost cause. Heck, you don't even know how to employ the "Quote plus" function, so I don't think even using my big red crayon would help.
Thanks for the congrats on our new president. I'd return the compliment but, like 99% of Americans, I have no idea, nor an inkling to care who's even in charge up there in the 51st state.
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Greetings Dylan, I appreciate that you replied*earlier this afternoon. My apologies for the late response, I've been wrapped up all day with family errands.
First off, I am not going to have a 'battle royale' with you on the DAC; trading insults only serves 'popcorn' entertainment for other DAC members who pull up their chair and consume their popcorn while they witness 2-3-4 DAC members trade backhanded and negative comments towards each other. Case in point the 'Trump Deplorable' thread. I do believe they have gone 6 pages and counting and also approaching 4,000 views.
I joined the DAC about 5-6 years ago and I've observed a few things about your behaviour on the DAC; here ya go:
I've seen you bullying other DAC members on the Forum and taking pleasure in doing it by talking down to them. Yep, we all become keyboard warriors when we enter cyberspace. I am guilty of this, which I will delve into later. When people in our hobby join forums they do so on the premise of being treated with respect and in turn they (newbies to DAC) will return the favor to the forum. But, when we get people like yourself on the DAC that go out of their way in trying to intimidate/bully these newbies; well that's not cool. Those newbie collectors will also share their negative DAC experiences with other collectors who wish to join a public forum. I'm guessing they won't be rushing to sign up for the DAC, all thanks to folks yourself.
I also noticed that you took issue with a 1/200 DC-10 thread that exploded in DAC views; and that it was taking the majority of DAC members attention away from another DC-10 thread that you were involved in. FYI=You can't control or influence what other DAC members/collectors wish to do on the forum. If the thread interests them, they will jump in and make their comments known. If it doesn't, they will skip it. Simple as that. That type of behavior you displayed was being 'petty'.
I have not been a 'boy scout' on the DAC myself, I've had some 'rock-em sock-em' battles with other DAC members (some are still here, some have left). I look back at those negative threads, and in retrospect I wish I could have handled things differently. I've been able to make peace and resolve issues with some of the DAC members, and with others I've let it subside.
I've mellowed out now with having 2 young kids to raise which is priority No.1 for me. I'd rather spend my time and energy with them, rather than getting into flame wars with you or other DAC members.
Most importantly I had a bone of contention with another DAC member for the past 2-3 years, my 1st year I hurled several DAC insults and many negative comments towards him, my 2nd year I scaled back my hostility, and my 3rd year I let it go, and was hoping to reach out to him and apologize for my immature behavior.
Unfortunately, this DAC member passed away a few months back (I will not identify the recently deceased DAC member, out of respect for his family and friends). That really woke me up in terms of how life can change in an instant.
This gentleman had a family and was always trying to bring the aviation hobby to more folks (young and old) which is very admirable. I can't imagine the pain his family and friends have had to endure with his passing. I am a religious man, and I prayed for him and his loved ones after I heard the sad news about his death. I felt gutted that I wouldn't be able to talk to him anymore, and havethe opportunity to apologize face to face for my immature behavior towards him and make things right with him.
So, any 'negative' or 'condescending' comments that you want to continue to post in my threads towards me, really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. It is sad that it took another DAC member's passing to put things into perspective for me, but I hope and will strive that I will become a better person on this forum with my behavior going forward. Which starts with you, Dylan.
I like your 51st state comment about my country, Canada. We do have our differences, but with every passing year those differences are becoming fewer.
Hey, I voted Blue up here with the last election; and we could use somebody like Trump up here to get our act together, ! Junior has been spending money hand over fist since he was elected, and opening our doors to every tom, Dik and harry who wishes to live in Canada.
There was a quote from the rebooted Star Trek film; when Kirk told Bones to 'Buckle Up'. That line would be most appropriate on Jan 20th, 2017 for our neighbors down south.
Cheers! T7
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My apologies to Dylan.
I read your message after my post above. Yes, I'll strive in future posts to remove that symbol you pointed out. ! Cheers! T7 ( I did remove a few of them just now ).
In addition, I was not able to read your other message. So, please take that into consideration when reading the above post from me. Thank you, T7
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To Dylan:
Like I said, I've been an unpleasant and rude DAC member in the past with other forum members. I bullied them, called them out publicly on the forum, shamed them, teased them, etc. I am guessing you probably saw those threads I speak of. I was rightfully suspended/banned 3 times for my unjust behavior and I take no pride for such immature actions on my part. I can only shake my head now in shame and will do my best to make things right with those remaining DAC members when given the opportunity to do so. Hopefully I will have 1 opportunity in January, 2017 to right the ship with another DAC member in person. Regards, T7
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That is just crazy...
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That is just crazy...
Yep. Looks like the public was not onboard (no pun intended) with this as well. The 2,000 + comments posted with the article weblink below are just some fine reading! You have a lot of peeved off people. Many of the comments are priceless! The 1st comment from TheClist is too funny, and better yet are the 57 replies to his comment!
----------------------------------------------------- The reaction to this part of the news from the public was fast, furious, and overwhelmingly negative
And here lies a great example of the fundamental disconnect between airlines and their customers.
Instead of viewing Basic Economy as a new budget-friendly ticket option, many saw the announcement as another example of America's airlines nickel-and-diming its passengers to the extreme — taking away amenities long considered pro forma in economy-class travel.
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Your Avatar would suggest that. It still has the Tulip,just smaller.
My bad. Thank you for reminding me about replacing my Avatar. That Herpa 200 UA T7 is no longer in my collection; sold it earlier this summer. Must find another model to replace it with this weekend. Regards, T7
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Ugh... I mean... overhead bin usage on US domestic flights has gotten out of control. People cram these huge bags in there... but the airlines did that to themselves by charging for checked bags. Now there is no alternative. Either pay up, or don't bring anything.
That being said, to an extent, the market controls these things. We all complain about fees, lack of food service, lack of legroom, narrowing seat width. But most people still choose the cheapest ticket when given the choice.
What's frustrating about this is no one will have a choice. Since I live near PHL it's almost always cheapest to fly American on domestic flights.
I'm traveling on WOW Air next month and they charge for a lot of stuff, but they're also MUCH cheaper. American and United are not cheap enough to warrant this, IMO.
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American and United gave Southwest a new marketing campaign:
'One free checked bag, One free carry-on, and still cheaper than our competitors'
Well actually flying with American Eagle ain't that bad because they have all modern regional jets anyway and if you happen to reside in the greater Miami area than flying with them is the best way, simple because they fly direct routes, such as MIA to Tallahassee airport where my sister happen to live...
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I am waiting for a fee to use the restroom. As seen in this Alaska Airlines commercial from the 1980's. Just one of several humor based commercials from the carrier in this era. Airline food and cramped seating are two more beauties from the airline.
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That's cool. Any word if Southwest will start charging for overhead bin space?
I try not to fly on southwest much. My preference is American, I don't have a sound reason other than preference and maybe perhaps I like the Airbus better . Giving Spirit a chance out of ACY in march. Paid for the big seats, priority boarding, checked bags and they had better flight times than PHL. Price even with upgrades was less expensive than PHL so I decided to try it. Hoping the experience will be positive. Especially With AirTran's former CEO running the show at Spirit. AirTran was great while the they were around.
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I won't fly this new class, because I have to have a seat assigned. However, I wish all airlines, would charge all passengers for use of overhead bins, and get ride of the checked luggage fee. The amount of crap passengers bring onto the plane is ridiculous, and it slows the boarding and de-boarding processes. I usually only bring one item that fits under the seat, because I don't want to deal with the hassle of lugging crap around the airport. I watch all these people boarding, and think "you f*ck, I know you are going to put both of those pieces in the overhead." It's ridic.
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I won't fly this new class, because I have to have a seat assigned. However, I wish all airlines, would charge all passengers for use of overhead bins, and get ride of the checked luggage fee. The amount of crap passengers bring onto the plane is ridiculous, and it slows the boarding and de-boarding processes. I usually only bring one item that fits under the seat, because I don't want to deal with the hassle of lugging crap around the airport. I watch all these people boarding, and think "you f*ck, I know you are going to put both of those pieces in the overhead." It's ridic.
Yeah, we all knew that once the airlines implemented the checked in luggage fees that passengers were going to circumvent those charges by overloading their carry on bags. When the airlines saw the increase of carry on baggage from these folks; the suits then started charging for overhead bin space!
It's going to be interesting what the airlines will come up next to nickel and dime the flying public.
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Jeez, that is bad! It will probably get like the movie Soul Plane where the overhead bins look like school lockers with combination locks! Pretty Ghetto of them! By the way I got rid of my post merger 1:200 as it is an ugly livery and ruined the airline beyond looks when they merged with Continental!
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Jeez, that is bad! It will probably get like the movie Soul Plane where the overhead bins look like school lockers with combination locks! Pretty Ghetto of them! By the way I got rid of my post merger 1:200 as it is an ugly livery and ruined the airline beyond looks when they merged with Continental!
That movie was whack! They had a full scale night club on the plane as well!
Hmm. I'm thinking the overhead bins will have a swipe card system installed. That way the airlines can charge you for a non-reusable overhead bin swipe card just for that specific flight. If you lose that card while in flight, that will be an extra charge for a card replacement as well.
Also, if you try to access the overhead bin without a swipe card or an invalid swipe card; an ear piercing alarm will go off 'ALERT! ALERT! UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OVERHEAD BIN IN PROGRESS! PLEASE ALERT CABIN CREW ASAP!
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United Airlines rolls out plan to charge lowest-fare flyers to use overhead bins!
What's next for the economy passenger (my bad = basic economy passenger) going to have to pay extra for on UA? I'm guessing to use the bathroom will require the pax to pull out their credit card? 
I wonder if the other N.American carriers will follow UA's lead? Curious on how tightly they will enforce this = "No Bin for You BE Pax policy"?
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You really gotta get that huge chip off your shoulder. 
That's a true measure of how UA customers particularly feel about this overhead bin charge. 
Or you just do it for kicks? All your doing is degrading yourself on the DAC when you post such demeaning comments towards another DAC member. Here's a little tidbit for you = when other DAC members read your comment/post in this thread; their reaction falls in line with all the others reading this thread = What's this guy's problem? 
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