New Airline ... ZIP

Mike Mather · 04-19-2002, 06:21 PM

Here's the URL for Air Canadas latest airline.
WestJets back yard, who wins?

Mike

http://www.4321zip.com/

04-19-2002, 07:30 PM

Don't know bout anyone else but those kinda remind me of the braniff jellybeans.

pictues · 04-19-2002, 09:04 PM

At least it isn't euro white.

airman62 · 04-20-2002, 12:19 AM

By my count, AC now has itself, Tango, Jazz and Zip. What an amazing business strategy, perhaps they'll eventually put it under a holding company and call it "Flop"...

The folks at West Jet must be having a good laugh right now at this situation, they at least have a solid business strategy, that isn't fragmenting into 5 - 7 different dumb pieces. You'd think, after Metro Jet and Cattle Car by United, that AC would learn a thing or two. Oh well, we'll just have to sit back and watch.

At least it honors the old BN color schemes.

pictues · 04-20-2002, 11:45 AM

Well look at KLM, BMI British Midland, QANTAS and even heard British Airways may start another LO-CO, all these arlines are starting or expanding their low-cost airlines. So what is so differnet if Air Canada does it? Because they're not from europe it won't work?

airman62 · 04-21-2002, 08:12 PM

It has nothing to do with Europe, experience to date with these low cost spinoffs is that the parent ultimately sells them off or shuts them down, because they end up competing with the full service line (whether it's in Europe, North America, Asia, Australia, etc.). I'm skeptical of BMI and Qantas' efforts in the long run, BA should be fixing it's core operation before it is goes off creating another Go. Ultimately, and airline should decide what it's market is, and focus on that, rather than try to be all things (example Continental).

In AC's case, why not use the Tango product in Western Canada, or just pull out the first class seats on mainline craft, and offer lower fares on the regular AC product, versus going to the time and expense of setting up a separate company, painting planes, separation of labor issues, etc. I'd be willing to bet a few dollars (US or Canadian....) that Zip and Tango end up dancing right back to AC at some point in the next two years.

In the end, what's happening is a fundamental change in the air travel market, i.e. there is less demand for a full service carrier, and more demand for Southwest/West Jet type services. Full service carriers are going to have to evolve or eventually go the way of other big names.

AV8TOR · 04-21-2002, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZK-NBT
Don't know bout anyone else but those kinda remind me of the braniff jellybeans.

Yes, it seems as though its page out of the Braniff book alright!

Chansen · 04-22-2002, 10:58 AM

Nobbe · 04-22-2002, 11:32 AM

Craig,

the name "Zip" shall remind you that you´ll be cramped in their planes the same way data files get cramped when they are put into a zip-file!

NEADC9 · 04-22-2002, 12:29 PM

It's a jelly bean wanna be! I must admit thought that not having come from the orginal jelly bean era (aka Branniff), it's kind of nice to see.

Chansen · 04-22-2002, 01:16 PM

Pink looks like magenta!
So Air Canada's business is buy your competitors and start new Airline niches!

Looks neat but watch them go eurowhite! That is alot of colors now a days.
It is cool looking but how long will it last.

04-19-2002, 06:21 PM	#1
Mike Mather Scots and Proud of it! Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 108	New Airline ... ZIP Here's the URL for Air Canadas latest airline. WestJets back yard, who wins? Mike http://www.4321zip.com/ Last edited by Mike Mather; 04-19-2002 at 06:24 PM.

04-19-2002, 09:04 PM	#3
pictues Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: White Rock, BC, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 122	At least it isn't euro white. __________________ We need more Air Canada Models New Colours and Old Colours. WANTED: Air Canada A340-313 Fly Air Canada, or one of its brands for the best service!!!! Air Canada is Number One in Service and Safety. Drink Beer!!!!

04-20-2002, 11:45 AM	#5
pictues Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: White Rock, BC, Canada Age: 27 Posts: 122	Well look at KLM, BMI British Midland, QANTAS and even heard British Airways may start another LO-CO, all these arlines are starting or expanding their low-cost airlines. So what is so differnet if Air Canada does it? Because they're not from europe it won't work? __________________ We need more Air Canada Models New Colours and Old Colours. WANTED: Air Canada A340-313 Fly Air Canada, or one of its brands for the best service!!!! Air Canada is Number One in Service and Safety. Drink Beer!!!!

04-22-2002, 10:58 AM	#8
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,041	What in the hell is "ZIP"?

04-22-2002, 01:16 PM	#11
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,041	Zip doesn't work with Tango and Jazz! Maybe colors maybe not. Pink looks like magenta! So Air Canada's business is buy your competitors and start new Airline niches! Looks neat but watch them go eurowhite! That is alot of colors now a days. It is cool looking but how long will it last.

04-19-2002, 07:30 PM	#2
JohnnyB Guest Posts: n/a	Don't know bout anyone else but those kinda remind me of the braniff jellybeans.

04-20-2002, 12:19 AM	#4
airman62 Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: California, USA Posts: 65	By my count, AC now has itself, Tango, Jazz and Zip. What an amazing business strategy, perhaps they'll eventually put it under a holding company and call it "Flop"... The folks at West Jet must be having a good laugh right now at this situation, they at least have a solid business strategy, that isn't fragmenting into 5 - 7 different dumb pieces. You'd think, after Metro Jet and Cattle Car by United, that AC would learn a thing or two. Oh well, we'll just have to sit back and watch. At least it honors the old BN color schemes.

04-21-2002, 08:12 PM	#6
airman62 Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: California, USA Posts: 65	It has nothing to do with Europe, experience to date with these low cost spinoffs is that the parent ultimately sells them off or shuts them down, because they end up competing with the full service line (whether it's in Europe, North America, Asia, Australia, etc.). I'm skeptical of BMI and Qantas' efforts in the long run, BA should be fixing it's core operation before it is goes off creating another Go. Ultimately, and airline should decide what it's market is, and focus on that, rather than try to be all things (example Continental). In AC's case, why not use the Tango product in Western Canada, or just pull out the first class seats on mainline craft, and offer lower fares on the regular AC product, versus going to the time and expense of setting up a separate company, painting planes, separation of labor issues, etc. I'd be willing to bet a few dollars (US or Canadian....) that Zip and Tango end up dancing right back to AC at some point in the next two years. In the end, what's happening is a fundamental change in the air travel market, i.e. there is less demand for a full service carrier, and more demand for Southwest/West Jet type services. Full service carriers are going to have to evolve or eventually go the way of other big names.

04-22-2002, 11:32 AM	#9
Nobbe Insane Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,050	Craig, the name "Zip" shall remind you that you´ll be cramped in their planes the same way data files get cramped when they are put into a zip-file!

04-22-2002, 12:29 PM	#10
NEADC9 Insane Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Franklin, MA Posts: 981	It's a jelly bean wanna be! I must admit thought that not having come from the orginal jelly bean era (aka Branniff), it's kind of nice to see.

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