Hawaiian going to Phoenix

AV8TOR · 04-09-2002, 08:21 PM

Hawaiian Airlines has announced a further expansion of service that will be mean it connects with more mainland cities than any other airline including the big mainland carriers.

On Oct. 11, Hawaiian says it will begin daily nonstop service between Honolulu and Phoenix, Arizona. The 252-passenger Boeing 767-300ER will be used for the service.

By then Hawaiian, which began flying Seattle-Maui last month, will also have launched new service to Maui from San Francisco and Los Angeles as well as new routes to Honolulu from Sacramento and Ontario, Calif.

The Phoenix route will bring Hawaiian up to 13 daily flights connecting eight mainland cities.

Rival Aloha Airlines, meanwhile, is adding Burbank and Vancouver, B.C., to mainland service it already has to Las Vegas, San Jose and Orange County, Calif.

Since the breakdown of their plans to merge, Hawaiian and Aloha have been moving aggressively to add mainland routes, but have largely targeted different markets, so that rather than competing directly with each other for traffic on these routes they are positioning themselves as lower-cost rivals to mainland carriers.

During merger talks both carriers said those mainland carriers had cost them interisland business by expanding service to neighbor islands. Before that, many of the people flying Hawaiian and Aloha were mainlanders who flew other airlines to Honolulu, then caught interisland flights to their actual neighbor island destinations.

F27 Bonanza · 04-09-2002, 10:45 PM

It's about time!!! I know they have been talking about coming here for some time. I was surprised to see they announced SMF and ONT before PHX. I don't like the ATA flight from PHX to HNL on a 757,too long on a norrow body. I can't wait to see the 767s rolling in here. Most likely I'll be on one.

Greg

Wingman · 04-10-2002, 11:54 AM

I remember when America West used to operate the B747 between PHX and HNL as well as LAS and HNL.

That lasted between two and two and a half years before AWA contracted with ATA to operated the PHX-HNL route on AWA's behalf. ATA was operating an L1011 at that time.

TL925 · 04-10-2002, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Wingman
I remember when America West used to operate the B747 between PHX and HNL as well as LAS and HNL.

That lasted between two and two and a half years before AWA contracted with ATA to operated the PHX-HNL route on AWA's behalf. ATA was operating an L1011 at that time.

Out of curiosity, was the ATA L1011 ever painted in America West colors, or was it just painted in ATA colors? I bet an America West L1011 woulda been a cool site.

Wingman · 04-10-2002, 05:01 PM

No, the ATA L1011 was never painted in AWA colors.

NEADC9 · 04-10-2002, 05:18 PM

So when is Hawaiian coming to Boston?

AV8TOR · 04-10-2002, 09:09 PM

Previously posted by NEADC9

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So when is Hawaiian coming to Boston?

Probably next month

smoothjazz · 04-11-2002, 10:34 AM

I wish Hawaiian would start their service to ORD...
That would be very nice...

AV8TOR · 04-11-2002, 10:48 AM

Thats the month after!

04-09-2002, 08:21 PM	#1
AV8TOR Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Age: 34 Posts: 1,052	Hawaiian going to Phoenix Hawaiian Airlines has announced a further expansion of service that will be mean it connects with more mainland cities than any other airline including the big mainland carriers. On Oct. 11, Hawaiian says it will begin daily nonstop service between Honolulu and Phoenix, Arizona. The 252-passenger Boeing 767-300ER will be used for the service. By then Hawaiian, which began flying Seattle-Maui last month, will also have launched new service to Maui from San Francisco and Los Angeles as well as new routes to Honolulu from Sacramento and Ontario, Calif. The Phoenix route will bring Hawaiian up to 13 daily flights connecting eight mainland cities. Rival Aloha Airlines, meanwhile, is adding Burbank and Vancouver, B.C., to mainland service it already has to Las Vegas, San Jose and Orange County, Calif. Since the breakdown of their plans to merge, Hawaiian and Aloha have been moving aggressively to add mainland routes, but have largely targeted different markets, so that rather than competing directly with each other for traffic on these routes they are positioning themselves as lower-cost rivals to mainland carriers. During merger talks both carriers said those mainland carriers had cost them interisland business by expanding service to neighbor islands. Before that, many of the people flying Hawaiian and Aloha were mainlanders who flew other airlines to Honolulu, then caught interisland flights to their actual neighbor island destinations. __________________ E ola mau ka `ôlelo Hawai`i!

04-11-2002, 10:34 AM	#8
smoothjazz More Korean Air in 1/200! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SEOUL KOREA Posts: 6,447	I wish Hawaiian would start their service to ORD... That would be very nice... __________________ BENJAMIN MY COLLECTION http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tion-1179.html

04-11-2002, 10:48 AM	#9
AV8TOR Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Age: 34 Posts: 1,052	ORD... Thats the month after! __________________ E ola mau ka `ôlelo Hawai`i!

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04-09-2002, 10:45 PM	#2
F27 Bonanza Senior Collector Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Salt Lake City,UT Age: 35 Posts: 210	It's about time!!! I know they have been talking about coming here for some time. I was surprised to see they announced SMF and ONT before PHX. I don't like the ATA flight from PHX to HNL on a 757,too long on a norrow body. I can't wait to see the 767s rolling in here. Most likely I'll be on one. Greg

04-10-2002, 11:54 AM	#3
Wingman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bangor, ME Age: 34 Posts: 429	I remember when America West used to operate the B747 between PHX and HNL as well as LAS and HNL. That lasted between two and two and a half years before AWA contracted with ATA to operated the PHX-HNL route on AWA's behalf. ATA was operating an L1011 at that time.

04-10-2002, 05:01 PM	#5
Wingman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bangor, ME Age: 34 Posts: 429	No, the ATA L1011 was never painted in AWA colors.

04-10-2002, 05:18 PM	#6
NEADC9 Insane Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Franklin, MA Posts: 981	So when is Hawaiian coming to Boston?