KL buys more Boeing!

03-28-2002, 10:36 AM

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, March 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - news) today affirms that KLM Royal Dutch Airlines has announced its intent to replace its Boeing 747-300 airplane types with eight Boeing 777-200ER (Extended Range) passenger jetliners and three 747-400ER freighters. These will be the first 777s and the first 747-400 freighters for the Netherlands-based carrier.

The first 777-200ER will be delivered in late 2003. The 747 freighters will replace 747-300 Special Freighters.

KLM will use the 777 on intercontinental routes from Amsterdam. The 747-400 freighter will be used on KLM long-range cargo routes.

``KLM will join a group of the world's premier airlines who rely on the technologically advanced 777 to provide passengers shorter trip times with convenient service on long-haul routes,'' said Alan Mulally, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. ``In becoming the 14th customer for the 747-400 freighter, KLM Cargo, already a leader in the cargo industry, will operate the world's most efficient freighter -- the airplane that has been a key driver in the growth of the industry.''

The 777 also has a reputation for being environmentally responsible.

``With its high-performance wing, efficient engines and lighter structure, the 777 is significantly more fuel-efficient than competing products,'' said Toby Bright, executive vice president of Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. ``Fuel efficiency means not only lower operating costs for the airline, but lower emissions into the atmosphere.''

Besides using less fuel, the 777 is quiet and has less of an impact on the communities located near airports. The 777's engines meet community noise restrictions well below international Chapter 3 limits and even below future Stage 4 limits.

Major airlines all over the world, including three of Europe's largest carriers, fly the 777. To date, 600 have been ordered since the 777 was launched in 1990, and nearly 400 have been delivered.

KLM, which began operations in 1919, was a launch customer for both the 747-200, the 747-400 Combi and the 737-900.

Travelin' Man · 03-28-2002, 01:27 PM

Finally a European Carrier with the balls not to go along with the EU Airbus program. Face it, KLM knows a good thing when they see!

Chansen · 03-28-2002, 01:33 PM

They removed the A310's in the fleet to that of B-767-300!
A Gemini would be nice of a 777 KLM.

UALsprtofSEA2 · 03-28-2002, 02:23 PM

Its about time, the people at Boeing must be jumping for joy. Way to many carriers are saving money and going with the Airbus. Its great to hear KLM is staying with Boeing. I really look forword to seeing those KLM 777 flying into ORD someday.
I really hope to see GJ making that 777.

Scott

DeltaFlot · 03-28-2002, 02:26 PM

cool, this along with the dutch getting the new amercian stealth fighters, is great news for US Aircraft industry. Glad to see not all the european countries jumping onthe Airbus bandwagon.

VCEcollector · 03-28-2002, 03:13 PM

They are getting A330-200s too, to replace their 767-300s

Quote:

KLM SELECTS BOEING AND AIRBUS IN FLEET RENEWAL PROGRAM
AMSTELVEEN, March 28, 2002 - KLM Royal Dutch Airlines announced today that the company intends replacing the Boeing 747-300, MD-11 and Boeing 767 aircraft types currently operated in its intercontinental fleet with two new types, the Boeing 777-200 and the Airbus A330-200. KLM’s current 747-300F freighter aircraft will be replaced with Boeing 747-400 Freighters.

This replacement program will improve the cost efficiency and competitiveness of the KLM fleet as the new aircraft will have lower unit costs and superior operating characteristics within KLM’s network. The new aircraft are expected to reduce environmental impact, increase customer appreciation and enhance flexibility in the network. Furthermore, the aircraft are being purchased at a time when the market for aircraft purchase is very favorable.

The fleet replacement, about which KLM has been negotiating with the two airplane manufacturers, engine manufacturers and several lease companies since August 2001, is planned to take place in two phases.

During the first phase, KLM will replace the twelve Boeing 747-300 aircraft currently operated, with eight Boeing 777-200ER (Extended Range) aircraft and three Boeing 747-400ERF (Extended Range Freighter) freighters. The first Boeing 777-200ER aircraft will be delivered late 2003. The last Boeing 747-300 will be phased out before 2005. KLM is currently still negotiating with various parties on its choice of engines for the new aircraft.

For the second phase, KLM is negotiating the replacement of its ten MD-11s and twelve Boeing 767-300ERs with a combination of A330-200’s and additional Boeing 777-200ER airplanes.

On completion of the fleet replacement program, KLM will have reduced the number of aircraft types in its intercontinental fleet from four to three, comprising the Boeing 747-400 (in all-passenger, combi and freighter configurations); the Boeing 777-200ER; and the Airbus A330-200.

The KLM Board of Managing Directors will be making further announcements on the fleet renewal at the May 8, 2002, press conference presenting the company’s results for fiscal 2001/2002

I guess it's a double victory for both Boeing and Airbus

03-28-2002, 04:38 PM

These guys are idiots. Why buy two new fleet types? The A330-200 is not that great of a cost savings versus the 777-200, and since you already have a trained 767 pilot pool why not use the 767-400?

Northwest must have had some input on this order.

Wingman · 03-28-2002, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CAL 757-300
These guys are idiots. Why buy two new fleet types? The A330-200 is not that great of a cost savings versus the 777-200, and since you already have a trained 767 pilot pool why not use the 767-400?

Northwest must have had some input on this order.

Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. I found it surprising that KLM had decided to go with Boeing when NW had decided to go with Airbus.

I had read in an issue of Airways magazine a couple of years ago that if NW was to place an order for new aircraft, that NW would most likely consult and place a joint-order for new aircraft with KLM, considering the alliance between the two.

I guess this would explain the reason KLM decided to purchase some A330-200s.

03-28-2002, 05:20 PM

Yeah, I don't see the synergies in that relationship. KL is Boeing and GE engines while NW is Boeing/Airbus and P&W powered. CO meshes better with KL in terms of fleet, both narrow and wide body.

smoothjazz · 03-29-2002, 01:57 AM

KLM and Boeing are best combination... Can't wait to see their
B777s...

smoothjazz · 03-29-2002, 02:35 AM

Btw I hope GJ makes B747-200 in OC as well...

Travis Campbell · 03-29-2002, 01:09 PM

Wasn't Alaska the launch carrier for the 739? Oh well, still need some KLM here:
747-400 (missed out on Dragons)
747-400C
747-400F
747-300
747-300F
747-200SUD
777-200
A330-200
A310
737-900
737-800
767-300

justin · 04-06-2002, 07:16 AM

Why do so many people still believe that European airlines are required to buy Airbus and blocked from buying Boeing?? Even a 5 minute spell at any major European airport will show that Boeing sell well in Europe, just off the top of my head;
Hapag Llyod
SAS
British Airways
KLM
Ryanair
Easyjet
Alitalia
Air France
Lauda Air
LOT
Malev
CSA
Braathens
and a lot more have sizeable Boeing fleets and have ordered Boeing in recent times.
Also, why is it that when Ryanair ordered Boeing on the basis of cost, it is a signn of Boeing efficiency and sharp operation, but when somebody like BA selected the A320 it was because Airbus gave them away and anyway they were ordered to buy Airbus? A lack of consistency I think....
Justin

04-08-2002, 10:52 AM

Justin, I couldn't agree with you more. Each airline has different needs and views Boeing and Airbus products differently. I think Boeing does indeed have an advantage versus Airbus offerings, but the narrowbodies are really close in performance and price, so I fail to see why people make this stereotype about European purchasing behavior.

Delta767 · 04-12-2002, 09:52 AM

I think most of the eurpopean carriers fly boeing like airlines at other continents too. Look at LUFTHANSA, AIR FRANCE, BRITSH AIRWAYS, CSA, MALEV, LOT a.s.o. They all fly many Boeings.
It´s only a rumor that european airlines does not fly Boeings.

tech77jp · 04-16-2002, 10:08 AM

Why aren't the KLM jets listed on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries page, even though it says the data is current as of April 9? This was announced March 28, right?

smoothjazz · 04-16-2002, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tech77jp
Why aren't the KLM jets listed on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries page, even though it says the data is current as of April 9? This was announced March 28, right?

Sometimes the airlines ask Boeing to hold the news until they want to release the news for corporate reasons...
You can often see "unknown" on the list...

03-28-2002, 10:36 AM	#1
CAL 757-300 Guest Posts: n/a	KL buys more Boeing! AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, March 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - news) today affirms that KLM Royal Dutch Airlines has announced its intent to replace its Boeing 747-300 airplane types with eight Boeing 777-200ER (Extended Range) passenger jetliners and three 747-400ER freighters. These will be the first 777s and the first 747-400 freighters for the Netherlands-based carrier. The first 777-200ER will be delivered in late 2003. The 747 freighters will replace 747-300 Special Freighters. KLM will use the 777 on intercontinental routes from Amsterdam. The 747-400 freighter will be used on KLM long-range cargo routes. ``KLM will join a group of the world's premier airlines who rely on the technologically advanced 777 to provide passengers shorter trip times with convenient service on long-haul routes,'' said Alan Mulally, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. ``In becoming the 14th customer for the 747-400 freighter, KLM Cargo, already a leader in the cargo industry, will operate the world's most efficient freighter -- the airplane that has been a key driver in the growth of the industry.'' The 777 also has a reputation for being environmentally responsible. ``With its high-performance wing, efficient engines and lighter structure, the 777 is significantly more fuel-efficient than competing products,'' said Toby Bright, executive vice president of Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. ``Fuel efficiency means not only lower operating costs for the airline, but lower emissions into the atmosphere.'' Besides using less fuel, the 777 is quiet and has less of an impact on the communities located near airports. The 777's engines meet community noise restrictions well below international Chapter 3 limits and even below future Stage 4 limits. Major airlines all over the world, including three of Europe's largest carriers, fly the 777. To date, 600 have been ordered since the 777 was launched in 1990, and nearly 400 have been delivered. KLM, which began operations in 1919, was a launch customer for both the 747-200, the 747-400 Combi and the 737-900.

03-28-2002, 01:33 PM	#3
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,016	KLM is known to get away from Airbus products! They removed the A310's in the fleet to that of B-767-300! A Gemini would be nice of a 777 KLM.

03-28-2002, 02:23 PM	#4
UALsprtofSEA2 Master Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Chicago Age: 45 Posts: 895	great news Its about time, the people at Boeing must be jumping for joy. Way to many carriers are saving money and going with the Airbus. Its great to hear KLM is staying with Boeing. I really look forword to seeing those KLM 777 flying into ORD someday. I really hope to see GJ making that 777. Scott

03-28-2002, 02:26 PM	#5
DeltaFlot The Patriot Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Laurel, MD Age: 36 Posts: 3,228	cool, this along with the dutch getting the new amercian stealth fighters, is great news for US Aircraft industry. Glad to see not all the european countries jumping onthe Airbus bandwagon. __________________ Febuary 15, 1898 December 7, 1941 June 8, 1967 September 11, 2001 Never Forget, Never Forgive If you kick the Tiger in the arse, you better be able to deal with the Tiger's teeth.

03-29-2002, 01:57 AM	#10
smoothjazz More Korean Air in 1/200! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SEOUL KOREA Posts: 6,363	KLM and Boeing are best combination... Can't wait to see their B777s... __________________ BENJAMIN MY COLLECTION http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tion-1179.html

03-28-2002, 01:27 PM	#2
Travelin' Man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Aspen USA!!! Posts: 1,919	Finally a European Carrier with the balls not to go along with the EU Airbus program. Face it, KLM knows a good thing when they see!

03-28-2002, 04:38 PM	#7
CAL 757-300 Guest Posts: n/a	These guys are idiots. Why buy two new fleet types? The A330-200 is not that great of a cost savings versus the 777-200, and since you already have a trained 767 pilot pool why not use the 767-400? Northwest must have had some input on this order.

03-28-2002, 05:20 PM	#9
CAL 757-300 Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, I don't see the synergies in that relationship. KL is Boeing and GE engines while NW is Boeing/Airbus and P&W powered. CO meshes better with KL in terms of fleet, both narrow and wide body.

03-29-2002, 02:35 AM	#11
smoothjazz More Korean Air in 1/200! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SEOUL KOREA Posts: 6,363	Btw I hope GJ makes B747-200 in OC as well... __________________ BENJAMIN MY COLLECTION http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...tion-1179.html

03-29-2002, 01:09 PM	#12
Travis Campbell Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Detroit, Michigan (Roughly) Age: 27 Posts: 1,067	Wasn't Alaska the launch carrier for the 739? Oh well, still need some KLM here: 747-400 (missed out on Dragons) 747-400C 747-400F 747-300 747-300F 747-200SUD 777-200 A330-200 A310 737-900 737-800 767-300

04-06-2002, 07:16 AM	#13
justin Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,005	Why do so many people still believe that European airlines are required to buy Airbus and blocked from buying Boeing?? Even a 5 minute spell at any major European airport will show that Boeing sell well in Europe, just off the top of my head; Hapag Llyod SAS British Airways KLM Ryanair Easyjet Alitalia Air France Lauda Air LOT Malev CSA Braathens and a lot more have sizeable Boeing fleets and have ordered Boeing in recent times. Also, why is it that when Ryanair ordered Boeing on the basis of cost, it is a signn of Boeing efficiency and sharp operation, but when somebody like BA selected the A320 it was because Airbus gave them away and anyway they were ordered to buy Airbus? A lack of consistency I think.... Justin Last edited by justin; 04-06-2002 at 07:18 AM.

04-08-2002, 10:52 AM	#14
CAL 757-300 Guest Posts: n/a	Justin, I couldn't agree with you more. Each airline has different needs and views Boeing and Airbus products differently. I think Boeing does indeed have an advantage versus Airbus offerings, but the narrowbodies are really close in performance and price, so I fail to see why people make this stereotype about European purchasing behavior.

04-12-2002, 09:52 AM	#15
Delta767 Senior Collector Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: BECK´S town, Germany Age: 22 Posts: 217	european airlines fly boeing as much as airbus I think most of the eurpopean carriers fly boeing like airlines at other continents too. Look at LUFTHANSA, AIR FRANCE, BRITSH AIRWAYS, CSA, MALEV, LOT a.s.o. They all fly many Boeings. It´s only a rumor that european airlines does not fly Boeings. __________________ Mario

04-16-2002, 10:08 AM	#16
tech77jp Senior Collector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 435	Why aren't the KLM jets listed on the Boeing Orders & Deliveries page, even though it says the data is current as of April 9? This was announced March 28, right? __________________ "Everything good in life is either illegal, immoral, or fattening." - Murphy http://www.soaringcapture.tk/

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