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Old 03-15-2014, 07:23 PM   #301
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I doubt the plane flew close to or over India/Pakistan. With the state of tensions between India and Pakistan, I'm sure that airspace is closely controlled and monitored.
That is it. Any unidentified aircraft entering Indian or Pakistani airspace (especially from the direction of India) would have lit up their radars like a Christmas tree and the plane would have been intercepted within minutes by fighters.
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That is it. Any unidentified aircraft entering Indian or Pakistani airspace (especially from the direction of India) would have lit up their radars like a Christmas tree and the plane would have been intercepted within minutes by fighters.
Maybe not India/Pakistan but ...

[ CNNFlight 370: Officials lean toward 'those in the cockpit' theory - CNN.com ]

The Malaysian Prime Minister stopped short of calling the mysterious disappearance of Flight 370 a hijacking, but said Saturday the jet veered off course due to apparent deliberate action taken by someone aboard.

With new clues indicating the Malaysia Airlines jet may have flown for more than seven hours after last contact with the pilots, the search entered a second agonizing week.

Authorities refocused their investigation on the crew and passengers and widened their targeted area to a large swath of Asian geography. The arc of possible places the plane could have flown bends as far north as Kazakhstan and south to the vast, empty waters of the Indian Ocean.

Likewise, there were reports that after the transponder was turned off, the plane climbed to an altitude of 45,000 feet for no apparent reason ... then later during its flight descended to 23,000 feet thereafter.

Here's the reason for the climb to the higher altitude via Examiner.com - Flight 370 landed? Passenger fate major concern as new data points to hijacking - Hartford Top News | Examiner.com

Phillip Holloway, a commercial pilot and flight instructor, appeared on "Fox and Friends Weekend" on Saturday morning live. He said that he fears that the maneuver of bringing the plane up to 45,000 feet may have been to depressurize the cabin and kill the passengers. He explains that his worst fear is that the plane is now being refitted as a weapon of mass destruction. Holloway said this is purely speculation on his part, but these scenarios are within the realm of possibilities today. Other experts said that this is a possibility, as the hijackers could have prevented the oxygen masks from dropping.

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Maybe not India/Pakistan but ...

[ CNNFlight 370: Officials lean toward 'those in the cockpit' theory - CNN.com ]

The Malaysian Prime Minister stopped short of calling the mysterious disappearance of Flight 370 a hijacking, but said Saturday the jet veered off course due to apparent deliberate action taken by someone aboard.

With new clues indicating the Malaysia Airlines jet may have flown for more than seven hours after last contact with the pilots, the search entered a second agonizing week.

Authorities refocused their investigation on the crew and passengers and widened their targeted area to a large swath of Asian geography. The arc of possible places the plane could have flown bends as far north as Kazakhstan and south to the vast, empty waters of the Indian Ocean.
I believe this may be the truth. If you look at the flight path, someone skillfully flew that plane around radar detection, with the exception of over Malaysia. And even that required some skill and knowledge to know the Malaysian authorities would be slow to react, or to react at all. This pilot was skilled at flying instruments at night and over the water. This pilot also knew the exact point between Malaysia and Viet Nam to shut down communications and turn to the west, again knowing the reaction from Malaysia would be slow. AS it is they didn't realize the plane was missing until it didn't arrive in Beijing.

An amateur terrorist pilot like the 9-11 guys could not have flown a 777 this skillfully.
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I believe this may be the truth. If you look at the flight path, someone skillfully flew that plane around radar detection, with the exception of over Malaysia. And even that required some skill and knowledge to know the Malaysian authorities would be slow to react, or to react at all. This pilot was skilled at flying instruments at night and over the water. This pilot also knew the exact point between Malaysia and Viet Nam to shut down communications and turn to the west, again knowing the reaction from Malaysia would be slow. AS it is they didn't realize the plane was missing until it didn't arrive in Beijing.

An amateur terrorist pilot like the 9-11 guys could not have flown a 777 this skillfully.
Absolutely concur on those points you made ... I think we are going to be in store for more "surprises" in the coming days and weeks ahead ... I am afraid though we may NOT have heard the last of this 777-200ER ... the only other hope is that the passengers are still alive ... someWHERE and someHOW.
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Absolutely concur on those points you made ... I think we are going to be in store for more "surprises" in the coming days and weeks ahead ... I am afraid though we may NOT have heard the last of this 777-200ER ... the only other hope is that the passengers are still alive ... someWHERE and someHOW.
I'm not optimistic about the passengers. Where and how do you hold 250 people aginst their will for 8 days without anyone knowing what you are doing.
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Im not expecting asylum seekers to travel in a normal way, but what were the iranians doing in thailand and malaysia before ? Most aghans & Iraqis travel to the UK travelling west by truck, not east-northeast-west by plane.

One illegal migrant maybe but im just pointing out these guys hooked up together previously in thailand and malaysia, and had or were advised to enter europe by the same method.
I'm guessing they acquired the stolen passports in Thailand.

Yes, it seems like an odd route, but consider that Syria is closer to Europe than Iran, and yet a handful of Syrian refugees are being detained in Thailand as they were attempting a very similar (Thailand-Beijing-Europe) path, with Greek passports. Apparently they heard that was a path that others had taken successfully before.

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I'm not optimistic about the passengers. Where and how do you hold 250 people aginst their will for 8 days without anyone knowing what you are doing.
As I posted above, the possibility exists that they were killed by intentional depressurization of the airliner:
Phillip Holloway, a commercial pilot and flight instructor, appeared on "Fox and Friends Weekend" on Saturday morning live. He said that he fears that the maneuver of bringing the plane up to 45,000 feet may have been to depressurize the cabin and kill the passengers. He explains that his worst fear is that the plane is now being refitted as a weapon of mass destruction. Holloway said this is purely speculation on his part, but these scenarios are within the realm of possibilities today. Other experts said that this is a possibility, as the hijackers could have prevented the oxygen masks from dropping.
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As I posted above, the possibility exists that they were killed by intentional depressurization of the airliner:
Phillip Holloway, a commercial pilot and flight instructor, appeared on "Fox and Friends Weekend" on Saturday morning live. He said that he fears that the maneuver of bringing the plane up to 45,000 feet may have been to depressurize the cabin and kill the passengers. He explains that his worst fear is that the plane is now being refitted as a weapon of mass destruction. Holloway said this is purely speculation on his part, but these scenarios are within the realm of possibilities today. Other experts said that this is a possibility, as the hijackers could have prevented the oxygen masks from dropping.
Still a lot of unanswered questions. If one or both pilots were involved, why and when were they radicalized by terrorists? If one or more passengers turned out to pilot the plane the authorities will eventually trace how they learned the flying skills.
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Still a lot of unanswered questions. If one or both pilots were involved, why and when were they radicalized by terrorists? If one or more passengers turned out to pilot the plane the authorities will eventually trace how they learned the flying skills.
Exactly, even if, whoever the skillful person(s) who flew the MH370- land the aircraft in any runway in this world. I am wondering the respond of the world community to that airport (and might be to the country as well) once the fact is revealed that they hide the plane.
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As I posted above, the possibility exists that they were killed by intentional depressurization of the airliner:
Phillip Holloway, a commercial pilot and flight instructor, appeared on "Fox and Friends Weekend" on Saturday morning live. He said that he fears that the maneuver of bringing the plane up to 45,000 feet may have been to depressurize the cabin and kill the passengers. He explains that his worst fear is that the plane is now being refitted as a weapon of mass destruction. Holloway said this is purely speculation on his part, but these scenarios are within the realm of possibilities today. Other experts said that this is a possibility, as the hijackers could have prevented the oxygen masks from dropping.
And still the world is full of idiots watching Fox Tv... God almighty I hope to f*ck they find this 777 soon, if nothing else to stop the utter egotism shown by television journalists awaiting the next cop car chase !
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And still the world is full of idiots watching Fox Tv... God almighty I hope to f*ck they find this 777 soon, if nothing else to stop the utter egotism shown by television journalists awaiting the next cop car chase !
I'm a FOX watcher and I'd like to think that I'm NOT an "idiot", so quite honestly I find your comment there a bit misguided and poorly stated. The comment has NOTHING to do with FOX, and has EVERYTHING to do with his opinion. But believe you me, he is NOT the first person to have thought of such a scenario. Even "liberal" TV networks have mentioned such possibilities - it's just that I happened to choose this particular reference when Googling for the topic I was trying to support. Purely random ... I could have found the same on a half dozen other (liberal) news websites.

NY Times - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/wo...ary-radar.html
SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show that the missing airliner climbed to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and turned sharply to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, showed that the plane then descended unevenly to 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang.
On a less defensive topic, at this point of the investigation, ANYTHING is POSSIBLE and it is harmless and benign to make a comment or suggest a possibility as such. And quite honestly, this is the exact scenario which I personally fear the most ... that this Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER is being retrofitted into a WOMD (weapon of mass destruction).


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I'm a FOX watcher and I'd like to think that I'm NOT an "idiot", so quite honestly I find your comment there a bit misguided and poorly stated.
M1, I will politely disagree with you on your self assessment. Just about everything you post in regard to 1:1 aviation proves that you are, in fact, an idiot. Speculative, opinionated, uninformed...you'd make a GREAT FOX News reporter.
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M1, I will politely disagree with you on your self assessment. Just about everything you post in regard to 1:1 aviation proves that you are, in fact, an idiot. Speculative, opinionated, uninformed...you'd make a GREAT FOX News reporter.
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I was in Vancouver when this happened and the media coverage was quite intense and 24/7 even on local news stations. Since then I have gone back to HK where I surprised with the lack of coverage. BBC and other major world news stations had the coverage 24/7 as well, but local news didn't elaborate on it very much at all. I'm currently in SIN and there is lots of coverage. I don't really think much has changed since it happened aside from a few TVs showing coverage at HKG airport.
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I also thought of the increase in altitude to be a reason that starving the pax of O2.

Again speculation I know but this is just becoming more sinister as the days go on.

Its been a week today and still nothing - whoever has pulled off this stunt really has the media in a spin.
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I'm guessing they acquired the stolen passports in Thailand.

Yes, it seems like an odd route, but consider that Syria is closer to Europe than Iran, and yet a handful of Syrian refugees are being detained in Thailand as they were attempting a very similar (Thailand-Beijing-Europe) path, with Greek passports. Apparently they heard that was a path that others had taken successfully before.

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Thailand-Kuala Lumpur - Beijing is weird but .....

Syria- Thailand - China is even weirder.

Now the authorities know this, they should shut it down immediately, i think those iranians were more then illegal immigrants. Are the greeks selling there passports because there living in tough times ?
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I'm guessing they acquired the stolen passports in Thailand.

Yes, it seems like an odd route, but consider that Syria is closer to Europe than Iran, and yet a handful of Syrian refugees are being detained in Thailand as they were attempting a very similar (Thailand-Beijing-Europe) path, with Greek passports. Apparently they heard that was a path that others had taken successfully before.

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The news report talks about a trafficking gang selling get into malaysia packages for £450 with malaysia ID card, but that is a hell of a journey across iran, pakistan, india, china and Burma, I would have thought trafficking via turkey would be much quicker or possibly through the old russian states like Georgia-Ukraine-Belarus.


Desperate times call for desperate measures...

Interpol is also useless, setting up a missing passport system that cant detect anything, Before you fly you must complete Advanced passenger information for the airlines, Surely this is the stage at which passports can be checked by intelligence agencys, not a member of airline staff whos only job is to get that flight away on time.
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I was in Vancouver when this happened and the media coverage was quite intense and 24/7 even on local news stations. Since then I have gone back to HK where I surprised with the lack of coverage. BBC and other major world news stations had the coverage 24/7 as well, but local news didn't elaborate on it very much at all. I'm currently in SIN and there is lots of coverage. I don't really think much has changed since it happened aside from a few TVs showing coverage at HKG airport.
HK is really part of China and my bet is the news is being tightly controlled there due to the Chinese on the flight and the families. Also I think China know more about what really happened.
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The news report talks about a trafficking gang selling get into malaysia packages for £450 with malaysia ID card, but that is a hell of a journey across iran, pakistan, india, china and Burma, I would have thought trafficking via turkey would be much quicker or possibly through the old russian states like Georgia-Ukraine-Belarus.


Desperate times call for desperate measures...

Interpol is also useless, setting up a missing passport system that cant detect anything, Before you fly you must complete Advanced passenger information for the airlines, Surely this is the stage at which passports can be checked by intelligence agencys, not a member of airline staff whos only job is to get that flight away on time.
True, I know when I book international travel, I'm required to submit a valid passport number with the ticket purchase.
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... firstly, very sad to hear about this whole air drama unfold and the innocent lives it has involved .....my thoughts and prayers are with those innocent lives........ as time goes by I am certain more light will be shed on the mystery surrounding this case for the general public to digest.........there is no doubt in my mind that 'certain' agencies may already possess the intel on the events leading up to and beyond MH370's last known whereabouts as well as the person or persons involved.... and for obvious 'operational reasons' this intel cannot be released due to either ongoing ops and/or the revealing of how that intel got gathered .......

...however, speculation on the fate of the aircraft and the people aboard is beginning to narrow to a few sinister and dark scenarios...... this, like 9/11, should be a firm warning and wake up call to the aviation world that the security and safety of people travelling on aircraft can be compromised by knowledgeable and dangerous people...

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Let's assume for a moment that the plane was hijacked, were would the hijackers want to go then? Maybe somewhere the plane couldn't reach? This happened in 1996 with ethiopian flight 961. The hijackers did not believe that their destination was out of reach and the aircraft crash landed on the sea. I personally don't believe the pilots did this themselves, can't imagine the captain (he loved planes, work was his hobby) of that flight would do such thing..
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, i think those iranians were more then illegal immigrants.
They could be, but they could not be. Why do you think so? Do you also think the syrian refugees I pointed out were also more than refugees/asylum seekers/illegal migrants?

My point is that people desperate to migrate might take all sorts of weird pathways, and so simply taking a weird pathway is not, in itself, proof they are committing some more serious crimes.

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How is interpol useless? You are blaming the wrong people. The interpol database had these passports in them. It's the fault of Malaysia for not using the database. You can't blame interpol when the individual countries choose not to fully use the tools that Interpol makes available. You blame Malaysia.
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it was miniturized by Willy Wonka and showed up in my mailbox yesterday in 1:400 scale. Beautiful little number for $39.95...sorry I did not add it to my collection sooner. Hope they find the real one with everyone alive.
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When I look at the maps of the area and where this aircraft could have gone to escape detection it appears unlikely they could have gotten by India or Pakistan. However, they could certainly have made it towards Yemen or Somalia and avoid radar detection. It's tough to know if they would have had sufficient fuel to make either of those destinations, but if they did I would HOPE the satellites and intelligence resources on the ground are taking a real hard look. Terrorists in these two countries would not hesitate to try and mount a horrific attack against the west if they had a 777 for a flying bomb. Then again, if they got a hold of this plane, the routes to "desirable" targets would be difficult to fly without detection.

If, on the other hand, this aircraft is sitting at the bottom of the Indian Ocean in a super deep trench, they might never find it. Perhaps the searches of the pilot's residences will yield some clues.
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Troubling New Allegations Made About ‘Fanatical’ Malaysia Airlines Pilot

New allegations about one of the individuals piloting the missing Malaysia Airlines jet were reported in the Mail Online Sunday, as authorities continue to examine a flight simulator taken from his home.

According to Mail Online, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a “fanatical” and “obsessive” supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, who was imprisoned for homosexuality hours before flight MH370 vanished.

Shah was reportedly at the trial where Ibrahim was sentenced for five years. Police sources added to the Mail Online that the pilot was a vocal political activist.

A new image of Shah also surfaced online, appearing to show the pilot wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the “Democracy is Dead” slogan.



Further, the Mail Online reported that Shah’s wife and three kids moved out of their home just one day before the Malaysia Airlines plane went missing.

Over the weekend, attention focused on whether the pilots may have been responsible for the jet’s disappearance. The U.S. intelligence community likes the theory that blame rests with “those in the cockpit” and investigators have concluded that the plane’s communications were deliberately disabled.
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The tabloids are just reaching for anything they can find. The pilot had a passion for flying as stated before. He loved his career and enjoyed flying on his home simulator on his off time. I can absolutely relate to that. He went out of his way to build a multiple screen pc sim with all the bells and whistles which undoubtedly cost thousands. The images of his home looked as though he took care of it. That is someone who loved life, not some radical piece of crap destined to destroy everything he built. If there is indisputable proof otherwise, that's where I stand on the pilot. I just hope I don't have to eat my words again...
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Troubling New Allegations Made About ‘Fanatical’ Malaysia Airlines Pilot

New allegations about one of the individuals piloting the missing Malaysia Airlines jet were reported in the Mail Online Sunday, as authorities continue to examine a flight simulator taken from his home.

According to Mail Online, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a “fanatical” and “obsessive” supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, who was imprisoned for homosexuality hours before flight MH370 vanished.

Shah was reportedly at the trial where Ibrahim was sentenced for five years. Police sources added to the Mail Online that the pilot was a vocal political activist.

A new image of Shah also surfaced online, appearing to show the pilot wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the “Democracy is Dead” slogan.

Further, the Mail Online reported that Shah’s wife and three kids moved out of their home just one day before the Malaysia Airlines plane went missing.

Over the weekend, attention focused on whether the pilots may have been responsible for the jet’s disappearance. The U.S. intelligence community likes the theory that blame rests with “those in the cockpit” and investigators have concluded that the plane’s communications were deliberately disabled.
I'm not familiar with this publication/on-line source. Is it known as a "sensationalist" site or a reliable one? If any of this is true, it's a frightening scenario about a man whose life was not what it seemed...
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New allegations about one of the individuals piloting the missing Malaysia Airlines jet were reported in the Mail Online Sunday, as authorities continue to examine a flight simulator taken from his home.

According to Mail Online, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a “fanatical” and “obsessive” supporter of Malaysia’s opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, who was imprisoned for homosexuality hours before flight MH370 vanished.

Shah was reportedly at the trial where Ibrahim was sentenced for five years. Police sources added to the Mail Online that the pilot was a vocal political activist.

A new image of Shah also surfaced online, appearing to show the pilot wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the “Democracy is Dead” slogan.

Further, the Mail Online reported that Shah’s wife and three kids moved out of their home just one day before the Malaysia Airlines plane went missing.

Over the weekend, attention focused on whether the pilots may have been responsible for the jet’s disappearance. The U.S. intelligence community likes the theory that blame rests with “those in the cockpit” and investigators have concluded that the plane’s communications were deliberately disabled.
The headline seems sensationalistic.

While it's a very real possibility that one of the pilots is the culprit, there is nothing inherently "troubling" about being a strong supporter of the main opposition movement in Malaysia. If I were Malaysian, I'd also oppose the ruling BN coalition.

It seems far-fetched to me that the pilot would hijack his own plane in order to make a statement about the abuse of democracy by the malaysian government. But at this point, anything is possible, especially if the guy had some psychological instability.
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I'm not familiar with this publication/on-line source. Is it known as a "sensationalist" site or a reliable one?
it's a piece-of-trash tabloid. expect sensationalism and tabloid-behavior for getting page views (it claims to be the most read online news source).
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Pilot Spoke to Air Controllers After Shutoff of Data System

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Wow. At this point, the simplest explanation is that the pilots hijacked themselves. Were the two pilots cooperating with each other, or was one locked outside the cockpit?

Otherwise, one of the passengers had to be a very knowledgeable about the operation of a 777, and had to have invaded the cockpit by that point.
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it's a piece-of-trash tabloid. expect sensationalism and tabloid-behavior for getting page views (it claims to be the most read online news source).
Figures... Another piece of crap group trying to capitalize on this tragedy... I wonder how these characters sleep at night. I guess money makes them forget what a bunch of jerks they are. Thanks for clarifying on what could have been a big break in the situation. Clearly this is just another National Enquirer type story.
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The tabloids are just reaching for anything they can find. The pilot had a passion for flying as stated before. He loved his career and enjoyed flying on his home simulator on his off time. I can absolutely relate to that. He went out of his way to build a multiple screen pc sim with all the bells and whistles which undoubtedly cost thousands. The images of his home looked as though he took care of it. That is someone who loved life, not some radical piece of crap destined to destroy everything he built. If there is indisputable proof otherwise, that's where I stand on the pilot. I just hope I don't have to eat my words again...
There are many in Egypt that think the pilot of Egypt Air 990 was passionate about being a pilot and would have never committed suicide. But the facts prove otherwise.

One or both of the pilots were involved with this and there has got to be a reason. If you also had a passion about the politics of your country, what better way to to make a statement about the screwed up government than to make the pride of the government run Malaysian Airlines 777 disappear and make the government look foolish.

Remember what Hitler did was due to his passion for Germany.
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I wonder why the pilots wife and children moved out the house the day before this flight ?
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I wonder why the pilots wife and children moved out the house the day before this flight ?
The question is whether or not this is true. If it is, then everything changes. Given the apparent reputation of the group that published this only time will tell the veracity of these claims.
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I wonder why the pilots wife and children moved out the house the day before this flight ?
Treat that as an unsubstantiated rumor, until/unless it's confirmed.
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HK is really part of China and my bet is the news is being tightly controlled there due to the Chinese on the flight and the families. Also I think China know more about what really happened.
I'm sorry, but Hong Kong isn't really a part of China outside of the land being returned to them. If you have ever been to Hong Kong you would know what i'm talking about. We have our own democratic government and they don't have very much of a connection to China. The only thing that China holds a stake in, in HK is defence.
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I'm sorry, but Hong Kong isn't really a part of China outside of the land being returned to them. If you have ever been to Hong Kong you would know what i'm talking about. We have our own democratic government and they don't have very much of a connection to China. The only thing that China holds a stake in, in HK is defence.
I think you're rather overstating your case. Who votes for the chief executive? who nominates the candidates for chief executive? Who gets to vote in the functional constituencies for the legco? Beijing defines these processes to make sure the results are acceptable to them. Why are journalists not aligned with Beijing's line getting physically attacked, even stabbed?
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Just curious why the Malaysian Air Force didn't scramble any jets when it had an unknown bogey/plane on it's radars? Thank you, T7

Here's an article that is just mind boggling!

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...eens-ask-inves

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Just curious why the Malaysian Air Force didn't scramble any jets when it had an unknown bogey/plane on it's radars? Thank you, T7

Here's an article that is just mind boggling!

Why didn’t Malaysian military react to MH370 blip on radar screens, ask investigators - The Malaysian Insider
In the dark comedy of errors regarding this incident, this question is baffling. An unidetified aircraft with its transponder turned off flies through your air space and you don't scramble jets to go up and investigate? What was the Malysian Air Force doing that night having a party or all sleeping.
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I will add the pilot of the 777 seem to know the MAF would not scramble fighter jets and deliberately flew the course back over Malaysian. This was the last opprtunity there would have been for anyone to catch and track the 777. This just adds to the mystery.
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In the dark comedy of errors regarding this incident, this question is baffling. An unidetified aircraft with its transponder turned off flies through your air space and you don't scramble jets to go up and investigate? What was the Malysian Air Force doing that night having a party or all sleeping.
I think the guy sitting and manning the radar raised his hand/concerns about that unidentified blip that's been flying through their air space; but his supervisor/superior standing over his shoulder told him that there is NO blip and that after his shift was done = take a 5 day leave.
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Just curious why the Malaysian Air Force didn't scramble any jets when it had an unknown bogey/plane on it's radars? Thank you, T7

Here's an article that is just mind boggling!

Why didn’t Malaysian military react to MH370 blip on radar screens, ask investigators - The Malaysian Insider
That was also my concern on post #151, page 4 this thread.

The Butterworth AFB is not far from the VAMPI checkpoint, any TUDM F-18s will easily catch it.

Seems that the radar officers are only concern on any bogey/unidentified object that fly as fast as jets.
May be they are only instructed to scramble for any fast bogey, for instance an Su-27 Indonesian Air Force
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Latest co-operation news = Malaysian authorities are not sharing MAS 370 passenger information with NTSB, FAA and NSA investigators. MInd you, I'm sure the NSA already has the information on hand; but wanted to try the diplomatic route first.
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Since the beginning, I doubt the theory that explain the aircraft had a 180 degree turn and heading west.

Doing a search in Malacca Straits or even further Andaman Sea, is the same with agreeing that the aircraft flying dark without transponder crossing the Malaysia Peninsula. Crossing the peninsula may need 15-20 minutes before reaching Malacca Straits or Northern Sumatera, and then Andaman Sea.

It should have been captured by military radar (if the civilian radar was not able to detect it since the transponder is off), and on the western side of the peninsula, in Penang, is located the TUDM/RMAF Butterworth Air Force Base, where all the TUDM F-18s, TUDM F-5s and sometimes the P-3 RAAFs are there. But, the military radar missed this plane. Something went wrong.

Sorry aritrixa, I didn't mean to duplicate the Malaysia AF question on this thread. I thought I would add additional information to your question on why someone in the AF dropped the ball once again. It seems now that the military radar was working just fine and they did NOT miss the plane. Yep, it took them exactly 5 days to disclose their little oversight to the public. But, again according to the Malaysia PM = we are not concealing any information from the public!

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I think the guy sitting and manning the radar raised his hand/concerns about that unidentified blip that's been flying through their air space; but his supervisor/superior standing over his shoulder told him that there is NO blip and that after his shift was done = take a 5 day leave.
Something smells in the government and politics in Malaysia. There is more to this story and perhaps more people in Malaysia involved.

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A senior Western law enforcement official told ABC News today that the Malaysian government repeatedly turned down assistance from Interpol to assist in its investigation. That offer has since been repeated several times and declined each time.

Malaysia Airlines Jet Made 'Tactical Aviation Maneuvers': Law Enforcement Officials - ABC News
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That's alright, T7

I don't know what result will eventually come out from this incident.

BTW, anyone has info on the current passenger load of MH on KUL-PEK route? Has it been affected?
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I have only been following this story off and on since it started and thought I'd chime in with a piece of evidence that doesn't add up to pilot complicity.

FL 450
Apparently the airplane made its way up to 45,000 ft. Now was this reported by Mode S or was it a primary radar return estimate? And was this before or after the u-turn back south? I can think of few reasons the flight crew would voluntarily fly so high...actually..scratch that. I cant think of a single reason a pilot would want to fly that high, including for nefarious reasons. I don't buy for one second that it was to incapacitate the pax/crew. The airplane will still pressurize that high up and hypoxia is every bit as lethal at FL350 as FL450. No need to get higher. You want to put them to sleep, pull the cabin alt auto 1/2 CB's, select the pressurization control to manual, don mask, open outflow valve with the manual select knob. Night night. After about 30 min, the oxygen generators will have run dry and the portable bottles a couple hours later.

This whole FL450 could be a non-starter(and possibly even inaccurate), but like I said, a seasoned pilot who knew 777 specific systems wouldnt need to do it for any reason. An amatuer might think it was necessary though. It might also indicate a struggle, which again would imply outsider complicity.

I forgot to add..the turn back south. Some news outlets are reporting that this particular turn was programmed into the FMC and executed by autopilot. That spawns a few questions that are left unanswered by those pushing this story. How was that even determined? And was it before or after the climb to 45,000? I don't see how that information could be known even if ACARS was still up. I suppose ACARS may report a flight plan change to the airline...if it was on, which it wasn't. Being pretty familiar with this system, I don't think it reports specific autoflight params, just general route planning and wx reports(in the realm of navigation..this system does an awful lot more). Indeed a new flight plan can be sent to the airplane, but the pilot still has to "execute" the change and ACARS would not know if the new plan was being flown by hand or heading select or LNAV, etc etc. They may be guessing just by the way the FMS executes turns(turning x nm before waypoint)..but that would still be just a guess. Again this "factoid" being pushed on the news would point to pilot involvement...if it were true.

Anyways I'm just trying to understand the latest facts about this and trying to make sense of them. It seems to me that the "experts" being featured on the news are trying to shoehorn the facts to suit their own theory/agenda.

I keep having to edit this thing after reading more and more posts. On hypoxia again. I'm getting wires crossed between a few discussions I'm following across the Interwebs. You guys are talking about accidental hypoxia? That absolutely, positively 100% does not fit the known facts.

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I think its time all airlines carried air marshalls on board and the cabins and flight decks outfitted with CCTV cameras which cannot be disabled. The air marshalls can be disguised in the uniform of the cabin crew (they should be inconspicuous) or in plain clothes appearing as a passenger and they do not necessarily have to carry loaded weapons on board. A tranquilizer gun would be enough to disable any rougue elements without killing them (or puncturing the pressurized fuselage) thereby allowing authorities to make arrests upon landing and interrogate them. It may cost more, but I see it as quite an effective preventive.
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