Two Take-Offs

N787BA · 08-18-2012, 08:56 PM

I think these are my first photos of Commercial jets taking off. I don't take a lot because they are regional jets, nothing too interesting, but these turned out nice I think, especially the United. They put their gear up really early I noticed, before they even leave the runway.

flaps · 08-18-2012, 10:41 PM

Nice, that American in the white looks stunnning, makes me want it in 1/200 diecast, wonder if anyone has done it, and the search begins :-)

flaps

A Tupolev · 08-18-2012, 10:51 PM

What camera phone did you use for these photos?

AirTran Airways 717 · 08-18-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flaps

Nice, that American in the white looks stunnning, makes me want it in 1/200 diecast, wonder if anyone has done it, and the search begins :-)

flaps

An American Eagle ERJ-145? Gemini did it in 1:200. It is only one of the most popular models I've ever seen. When one goes up for sale, it doesn't last long.

gabe4321 · 08-18-2012, 11:24 PM

How did they put the gear up if they where still on the runway??

AirTran Airways 717 · 08-18-2012, 11:27 PM

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How did they put the gear up if they where still on the runway??

I think he meant before they had gotten past the end of the runway.

N787BA · 08-18-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by A Tupolev

What camera phone did you use for these photos?

Looks like I won't be posted anymore photos. It is a Nikon P500. Thanks a lot guys, no more from me. Sorry I don't have a spare $3000 and bigger planes to photograph, my attention was more on the B-29, but whatever. I won't impose with my apparently crappy camera phone quality photos anymore. How rude and disrespectful, someone wanting to share their photos and get this? What a shame...I thought this was a better forum.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 12:03 AM

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Looks like I won't be posted anymore photos. It is a Nikon P500. Thanks a lot guys, no more from me. Sorry I don't have a spare $3000 and bigger planes to photograph, my attention was more on the B-29, but whatever. I won't impose with my apparently crappy camera phone quality photos anymore. How rude and disrespectful, someone wanting to share their photos and get this? What a shame...I thought this was a better forum.

Hey, your OBGYN called: Your pap smear came back clean. You're a healthy 14 year-old girl!

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 12:06 AM

What is with your bull****?

dylan · 08-19-2012, 12:10 AM

My BS? Read your post in 3 years Linda. You'll be embarrassed.

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 12:13 AM

What does that even mean. Read your post in 3 years? WTF? Getting bashed for what I said were my first photos on here is not a friendly welcome to posting photos. How would you like it? And really, the girl stuff is getting stupid, you are supposed to be 35 and you aren't acting like it at all.

A Tupolev · 08-19-2012, 01:12 AM

This thread is a good example of why DAC has becoming the running joke on other aviation related forums for the juvenile members posting childish rants.

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 01:14 AM

Well, I apologize, I'd just rather have advice on how to improve over my photos being called camera phone quality. Nothing against you or anyone.. I just like advice over put downs. And I said they weren't the best, they are my first jet shots.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 10:45 AM

Look at your reaction to one negative comment...the "camera phone" comment by Ted. It's a whoa-is-me, feel sorry for yourself "I just won't post here anymore" type reply. One negative comment and your gonna take your toys and leave the sandbox. C'mon dude...really?

A Tupolev · 08-19-2012, 11:18 AM

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Look at your reaction to one negative comment...the "camera phone" comment by Ted. It's a whoa-is-me, feel sorry for yourself "I just won't post here anymore" type reply. One negative comment and your gonna take your toys and leave the sandbox. C'mon dude...really?

And was it really a negative comment? Some camera phones, like the iPhone have good ratings for their cameras. The fact that the planes were so small in the pictures (and a little blurry) would lead one to thing they were taken with some sort of pocket camera. Some editing and cropping would have helped.

You see how 3 minutes of cropping and some lighting adjustments can make a world of difference in how your work is perceived? It always better to try to put some effort in making your work look better before just plastering it online.

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 03:10 PM

Well, normally I like to leave my photos unedited, so they are what I seen, but if you guys like to see cropping more, I can edit the hell out of a photo, I just like seeing the "real photo" so that's what I post.

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Originally Posted by dylan

Look at your reaction to one negative comment...the "camera phone" comment by Ted. It's a whoa-is-me, feel sorry for yourself "I just won't post here anymore" type reply. One negative comment and your gonna take your toys and leave the sandbox. C'mon dude...really?

I see what you mean, and I apologize for blowing up over it. I'm dealing with some things that have just driven me nuts for a while, stressed out about stuff, you all know how it is. I'll keep posting photos, but next time I'm going to be focused on the jets, so they will be better.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 03:27 PM

First off, don't ever apologize to anyone on the here, especially me. The shots are decent, we know you're new at shooting and lord knows I can't do any better. Like I said in the other thread, I like snapshots as opposed to the heavily edited type. If somebody knocks you, knock 'em back. Or ignore them. Te'll 'em to take a hike. I hate seeing kids back down, and make a grand exit...especially those that are smart enough to know what a great plane the V35B is and who hang around the GA side of things like I did as a kid.

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 03:31 PM

S&^t, I was apologizing in general because I kinda knocked the thread off balance, if you knew me in real life you'd know I apologize very little.

Actually it is a P-35, not a V-35, in my opinion the V-Tail Bonanza was the greatest small plane ever man, and Beech did the wrong thing by stopping production on the V-Tail, I would love to see a G36 Bonanza V-Tail. And you hung around GA too? I like it better than commercial, I've got my eye on a Beech Musketeer for a first/trainer plane. We should talk more, we could really get along. :P

Here is a photo I took of the emblem on the cowling.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 04:06 PM

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And you hung around GA too? I like it better than commercial, I've got my eye on a Beech Musketeer

Since I was 4. While my uncle was getting his ratings in '80-'81 he was the Line Manager for Interwest Aviation in KSLC. I just hung out all day on the weekends, talked to pilots, learned about airplanes, going back to the shade hangars and having the old boys learn me a thing or two. By the time I was 12, I got a part-time job washing Learjets (24's and 25's....the LOUD ones with the GE CJ-610's)for the company my uncle flew for. Once I turned 18 I got a job with Delta here in SLC to help pay for finishing my ratings.....but I stalled there for a little while and was having too much fun flying around the world for free while being a ramp rat.

Once I pulled my head out of my a$$ at age 24, I quit Delta, got a job on the line pumping gas, dumping crappers, etc. I knew I wanted to be a corporate pilot and the best place to be is working at an FBO.

That lead to my first job flying tourists over the Grand Canyon in Cessna T207's and 208 Caravans, which in turn lead to my job back in SLC flying the PC-12, Citation Ultra, and Citation Excel. I've been a Captain on the jet for a while now, but I still love the PC-12 the most. On monday I'm taking it from PDX to Fairbanks, AK (PAFA), dropping pax, picking up a former DAC member Yukon880, and we're flying the plane home empty back to SLC. Gonna stop in Paine Field to check out some 787's and 748's.

Muskateer is a great airplane. Wide and roomy, good handling, but you'll LOVE the trailing link gear. Makes every landing incredibly smooth. Keep plugging along, sounds like you've got your head in the right place and the know-how to achieve your goal. But NEVER let a week go by without going to the airport.

Speaking of a "G35" Bone, this might be as close as you get:
http://www.controller.com/listingsde...A/1237085.htm?

Got your eye on any of these?
http://www.controller.com/list/list....ETEER&setype=1

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 04:20 PM

Nice story man, I wanted to get a job washing planes and pumping fuel, but that was never open at my airport, so I work for my friend that owns the Bonanza. The 787s and 747-8s will be cool, I would love to go to Paine some day.

Dang, that 82 V35 is nice, expensive too, but well worth it IMO. Yes, that Musketeer is what I am talking about, glad to know it is a good plane. There is one that has been sitting on the ramp parked for 3 years, I spoke with the owner last week and he will let it go for $10,000. It has a new engine, but again been sitting for 3 years, the reg is even out of date and on a Cessna in Germany. I'm hoping to call him back and take a look at it closer this week to see what really needs to be done to get it airworthy again. I hope I have got a good plan on achieving my dreams, being Diabetic makes it harder, but not impossible to fly. I'm working on getting an airport pass to get through the gate, possibly clean up the Bonanza when we aren't flying it, watch the planes there. Here's a photo of the Musketeer that I am talking about. Needs some love, but shouldn't be impossible to get back in the air.

You should message me some photos of the planes you fly sometime, I'm interested in seeing them.

SgtMoody · 08-19-2012, 04:23 PM

The second photo seems to be out of focus hence the blurriness, is your camera a digital cam or a DSLR? most cameras would have the auto-focus function when you 'half depress' the button. Play around with your camera and read up some tips n tricks online, it would be great help. Personally i subscribe to a photography newsletter from this website which i found of great help to my needs. http://digital-photography-school.com/

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 04:25 PM

P500 digital, non DSLR, but a small step back from one. I may have forgot to let it focus as I was following the plane.

Todd Michaels · 08-19-2012, 04:38 PM

N787BA, shoot and post as many airplane photos as you like. Screw the negative comments. If someone doesn't wish to see your work, he/she doesn't have to look.

thamesradar · 08-19-2012, 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=dylan;976596] but I still love the PC-12 the most. On monday I'm taking it from PDX to Fairbanks, AK (PAFA), dropping pax, picking up a former DAC member Yukon880, and we're flying the plane home empty back to SLC. Gonna stop in Paine Field to check out some 787's and 748's.

Muskateer is a great airplane. Wide and roomy, good handling, but you'll LOVE the trailing link gear. Makes every landing incredibly smooth. Keep plugging along, sounds like you've got your head in the right place and the know-how to achieve your goal. But NEVER let a week go by without going to the airport.
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Dylan... you definitely ARE as crazy as I suspected my man!

You actually LIKE the PC-12 over all the other types you've flown? Having a fair bit of time flying first generation '12s around in South Africa, mostly to the bush strips of the game reserves, I have to say they are one of the worst handling 'planes I've flown! Very little aileron authority and the hardest ride I've ever felt in turbulence, not to mention the unholy nose attitude on landing! But that trailing link undercarriage is, I must admit, very nice!

Jeez that trip sounds awesome, I hope you guys really enjoy!

I enjoyed reading your career history, reminded me of my path so far quite a bit, starting out cleaning planes and hanging around airports any and every moment i could, getting a desk job at a flight school then slowly getting my PPL then CPL, instructing, getting a job at a charter company then a regional...ah, good times!

Thanks for your post man.

A Tupolev · 08-19-2012, 05:31 PM

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First off, don't ever apologize to anyone on the here, especially me. The shots are decent, we know you're new at shooting and lord knows I can't do any better. Like I said in the other thread, I like snapshots as opposed to the heavily edited type. If somebody knocks you, knock 'em back. Or ignore them. Te'll 'em to take a hike. I hate seeing kids back down, and make a grand exit...especially those that are smart enough to know what a great plane the V35B is and who hang around the GA side of things like I did as a kid.

And if anyone like Dylan calls you a pu**y again, till him he is an a-hole.

A Tupolev · 08-19-2012, 05:40 PM

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Well, normally I like to leave my photos unedited, so they are what I seen, but if you guys like to see cropping more, I can edit the hell out of a photo, I just like seeing the "real photo" so that's what I post.

I see what you mean, and I apologize for blowing up over it. I'm dealing with some things that have just driven me nuts for a while, stressed out about stuff, you all know how it is. I'll keep posting photos, but next time I'm going to be focused on the jets, so they will be better.

No apologizes required. Remember, everyone in these forums likes looking at the airplanes. When 80-90% of your photo frame is sky (and a date stamp), it takes away from the focus on the main subject and that is the plane. Shooting the photo is only half the talent, the other half is knowing how to process the photo with an editing program. You can find many free editing programs that can do a decent job.

And as for the rest of you a-holes on DAC, I'm the only one trying to make this guy think about what he is doing and improve his skills. He will thanks me later for being critical while the rest of you continue to play with yourselves. Fap...fap...fap.

thamesradar · 08-19-2012, 06:07 PM

Is there maybe a setting on your camera for taking motion shots? I like your pics and would love to see some more on here dude, but I will say they are a tiny bit blurred, so maybe there is a setting you could select on your camera that will help get really crisp moving shots?

I have a cheap $120 camera and it has loads of settings including the one I mentioned, so I'm sure yours does. Keep up the photography though, its grat to see pics!

j.patroni · 08-19-2012, 07:46 PM

I think that the pics. are nice and with a little practice you'll do just fine .
Remember practice makes pefect.

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 07:52 PM

Thanks j.patroni, I don't get those fancy jets to photograph though, only small Regionals and Privates. haha

thamesradar: Yes, there is, I have to start taking more plane photos though, I don't have much time, but I have to mess with the settings on that thing for plane photos. I'm used to taking photos of non moving planes.

j.patroni · 08-19-2012, 08:04 PM

One day you'll get to take pictures of those fancy jets .

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 10:26 PM

Ya, I'm hopin sometime soon, we are planning a trip in the Bonanza to Houston, so maybe Houston International will have some...if we land there.

dylan · 08-19-2012, 10:32 PM

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I have to say they are one of the worst handling 'planes I've flown! Very little aileron authority and the hardest ride I've ever felt in turbulence, not to mention the unholy nose attitude on landing! But that trailing link undercarriage is, I must admit, very nice!

TR-

Starting in 2006 with the /47 model, Pilatus started putting anti-servo, or "Fletner" tabs on the ailerons. The results are lightning quick roll, very light. It is true that the /45 model was very heavy on the roll, but I liked it. Made it very stable when driving down the ILS, hand flying in icing conditions at 150 or even 170 kts. And I agree that the ride in turbulence is god awful...a by-product of low wing loading. But that low wing loading is what makes it such a great glider if the rubberband breaks.

I really enjoy single-pilot IFR and the strips that we can get into and out of and the loads we can haul. But my two true favorites:

N787BA · 08-19-2012, 10:40 PM

I bet the cub is fun to fly. I'd love to fly one.

thamesradar · 08-20-2012, 05:00 AM

Great pics and awesome to land in that snow, I'm sure! Thanks for sharing man! Yes, I still love the small pistons (the C182 is my favourite one),nothing earth shattering performance-wise but just great great fun to hand fly and enjoy the view and the ride!

lanceb · 08-20-2012, 05:27 AM

Try and get closer. Father away the l;ess quality in your shots. And shoot early morning / late afternoon

fazeman · 08-20-2012, 05:54 PM

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TR-

Starting in 2006 with the /47 model, Pilatus started putting anti-servo, or "Fletner" tabs on the ailerons. The results are lightning quick roll, very light. It is true that the /45 model was very heavy on the roll, but I liked it. Made it very stable when driving down the ILS, hand flying in icing conditions at 150 or even 170 kts. And I agree that the ride in turbulence is god awful...a by-product of low wing loading. But that low wing loading is what makes it such a great glider if the rubberband breaks.

I really enjoy single-pilot IFR and the strips that we can get into and out of and the loads we can haul. But my two true favorites:

I've been getting more into GA aircraft reading the book, Commuter Airlines of the United States (1995). The aircraft you pilot are beautiful. Do you know anyone who works for Mountain Ridge Helicopters? An old Norfolk friend of mine, Mark White has been working for them for four years. We recently caught up with each other on facebook.

Prestwick Pioneer · 08-22-2012, 08:44 AM

I used to look after the Pilatus delivery pilots at PIK. Most US based PC-12s have come thru PIK. Love that a/c. I have not flown the PC-12 but have had a joyride in the PC-6

thamesradar · 08-22-2012, 11:50 AM

The PC-6 is awesomely capable!

I must say the PC12 is a very very comfortable plane from the passenger perspective-very stable and quiet and really smart inside. I paxed out on one yesterday, always enjoy going in one

dylan · 08-23-2012, 01:21 AM

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I've been getting more into GA aircraft reading the book, Commuter Airlines of the United States (1995). The aircraft you pilot are beautiful. Do you know anyone who works for Mountain Ridge Helicopters? An old Norfolk friend of mine, Mark White has been working for them for four years. We recently caught up with each other on facebook.

Not familiar with the name or the company Steve. You need to hang out at the FBO more...you'd be surprised at the variety of weird/cool stuff that comes through!

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I used to look after the Pilatus delivery pilots at PIK. Most US based PC-12s have come thru PIK. Love that a/c. I have not flown the PC-12 but have had a joyride in the PC-6

Sandy! Good to see you back on here! You're a lucky man....I would give both for a joyride in a PC-6!

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The PC-6 is awesomely capable!

I must say the PC12 is a very very comfortable plane from the passenger perspective-very stable and quiet and really smart inside. I paxed out on one yesterday, always enjoy going in one

always better in the back, eh?

thamesradar · 08-23-2012, 05:42 PM

Its quieter than any other turboprop back in the cabin, and our ones are quite nice with the 'executive interior'...its quite a spoil paxing in one when you usually fly a 19-seat sewer pipe!

fazeman · 08-23-2012, 09:27 PM

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You need to hang out at the FBO more...you'd be surprised at the variety of weird/cool stuff that comes through!

You're right, but it's the security issue that keeps me away. Always appreciate you showing me your aircraft and the others parked at ORF FBO. You pointed out an plane that a lot of rock groups used for their tours. What was the name of it again?

dylan · 08-24-2012, 12:30 AM

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You're right, but it's the security issue that keeps me away. Always appreciate you showing me your aircraft and the others parked at ORF FBO. You pointed out an plane that a lot of rock groups used for their tours. What was the name of it again?

Steve, it was the Grumman G-159..."G-1". The precursor to the big-cabin Gulfstream jets. It was a pleasure showing you around, but I think the real highlight was that trip over to NAS Oceana....never experienced anything like that before. Great seeing an entire squadron come home!

fazeman · 08-25-2012, 02:00 AM

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Steve, it was the Grumman G-159..."G-1". The precursor to the big-cabin Gulfstream jets. It was a pleasure showing you around, but I think the real highlight was that trip over to NAS Oceana....never experienced anything like that before. Great seeing an entire squadron come home!

Thanks for letting me know about the aircraft make/type. I'm three chapters into Commuter Airlines of the U.S. and they mentioned Grumman among others that evolved to meet passenger demands. This book is a great read for me in learning about the history of these aircraft and the struggles that the commuter airlines faced.

The time I had with you was a unique experience. Watching you land, showing me all around your PC-12, meeting your clients and the NAS squadron homecoming. Thanks a million Dylan!