American Eagle Embraer ERJ-145 - N628AE

N787BA · 08-10-2012, 12:38 AM

I got a chance to get some up close and personal photos with this airliner. They seem really small in person once you get close to them. This was after a flight in the Bonanza today, we drove around the ramp and this was parked for overnight, really cool, but so much smaller in person.

Aircraft is an Embraer ERJ-145
Tail Number - N628AE

beltloader · 08-10-2012, 07:37 PM

sad to say that AE are slowly phasing ERJ's out and will use more of its CRJ's

SaabsOverSAW · 08-10-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beltloader

sad to say that AE are slowly phasing ERJ's out and will use more of its CRJ's

Are they really phasing out the ERJs?

N787BA · 08-10-2012, 09:46 PM

Well, glad that I got to take a close look at this one then. It is really worn on the outside though, so I can see why they would phase them out.

74Classic · 08-11-2012, 12:38 AM

I flew the AE ERJ 135/140/145 for 5 years. They were good airplanes and did what they were designed to do. Short hops. Eagle started putting these airplanes on routes that it was never designed for. Near the end we were doing almost 3+ hour trips. ORD-JAX comes to mind or ORD-Pensacola (cant remember the identifier).

I've since moved on to the B747 Classics and the B777. I kinda miss the hands on flying on this plane. The B747 was like moving a mountain and the B777 is a hands off bird.

But you are right, time to put these planes out to pasture. For the customer's sake a 737, A319 or E190 is a much better ride.

BTW- where was the airplane parked?

SaabsOverSAW · 08-11-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 74Classic

But you are right, time to put these planes out to pasture. For the customer's sake a 737, A319 or E190 is a much better ride.

The ERJ-145 operates in an entirely different class than the 737, A319 or E190.

And I dont see why you guys are so eager to get rid of them. They are much more comfortable than the CRJ-200, one of its main competitors, and they are still in production.

beltloader · 08-11-2012, 10:09 AM

reasons AE is phasing them out because of 1 lease is almost over and 2 they are old and same goes with the ATR's.

74Classic · 08-11-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

The ERJ-145 operates in an entirely different class than the 737, A319 or E190.

Not really. AE now flies an EMJ-145 from Chicago-Nashville which used to be flown by AA on a B727. In the 80's it was not uncommon to be on a DC-10 or B747 from ORD-LAX or SFO where now it is predominately B737s and Airbuses.

These aircraft may be in another class but what flies a certain sector is dependent on load, gas prices and labor costs.

Perfect example of this is I needed to met one of our B747Fs in Jeddah. I flew from the US to Dubai in a Emirates B777 and then a A380 from Dubai to Jeddah. This is a short hop for the A380 better suited to a B737 or CRJ-700 but every seat was packed and thus was the best aircraft for this sector.

SaabsOverSAW · 08-11-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 74Classic

Not really. AE now flies an EMJ-145 from Chicago-Nashville which used to be flown by AA on a B727. In the 80's it was not uncommon to be on a DC-10 or B747 from ORD-LAX or SFO where now it is predominately B737s and Airbuses.

These aircraft may be in another class but what flies a certain sector is dependent on load, gas prices and labor costs.

Perfect example of this is I needed to met one of our B747Fs in Jeddah. I flew from the US to Dubai in a Emirates B777 and then a A380 from Dubai to Jeddah. This is a short hop for the A380 better suited to a B737 or CRJ-700 but every seat was packed and thus was the best aircraft for this sector.

True, but Eagle operates the ERJs in many markets where A320s, 737s, etc would not be a viable option, routes such as Chicago-Green Bay,WI and Dallas-Fort Smith, AK. They form the backbone of the Eagle fleet (190ish planes), and replacing them would be a big task, especially given the fact that they are rather economical and not that old (I believe the first were delivered in 2000.) Either way, can someone point me to a source that says that Eagle is phasing out the ERJs? I would like to read up on this and am still a bit skeptical.

arctic9048 · 08-11-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

The ERJ-145 operates in an entirely different class than the 737, A319 or E190.

And I dont see why you guys are so eager to get rid of them. They are much more comfortable than the CRJ-200, one of its main competitors, and they are still in production.

Whether it's an ERJ or a CRJ2, at the end of the day, they both still suck. They can't even take 50 passengers half the time to begin with. Unless the skies are clear, I remember seeing payloads of around 50/50. If you don't know, that means 50 passengers and 50 bags. 50 bags doesn't cut it. You end up dropping people.

74Classic · 08-11-2012, 11:40 AM

Exactly right arctic. We had ZFW issues on the EMB all the time.

I can not think of one place we flew the EMB into that could not handle a B737 or A319/320 easy. Now I flew this airplane almost 10 years ago and every flight out of Green Bay, Sioux Falls, Omaha, Fort Wayne etc, etc was packed.

As a customer I'd rather have one less flight a day but in a B737 or A319 than on a CRJ or ERJ. Up front it doesn't really matter although I will argue you cant beat a Boeing!

SaabsOverSAW · 08-11-2012, 11:44 AM

But with AE being one of the main operators of the ERJ, if they were getting rid of them you would think that we would have heard about it on some of the bigger aviation websites.

arctic9048 · 08-11-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

But with AE being one of the main operators of the ERJ, if they were getting rid of them you would think that we would have heard about it on some of the bigger aviation websites.

I don't think they will be getting rid of all of them anytime soon but it's no secret that everyone wants to drop their 50 seaters. It's just a question of what your scope clause says.

74Classic · 08-11-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

But with AE being one of the main operators of the ERJ, if they were getting rid of them you would think that we would have heard about it on some of the bigger aviation websites.

From your avatar it looks like you are a Pinnacle or Mesaba guy. Why so worried about AE?

Have you seen the order that AA places for A319 and the B737. Even if they replaced all the MD-80s with the new aircraft they have plenty to spare. I have friends at AA and they have said they want their routes back. No worries however AE isn't going anywhere as AMR will keep them around as a wedge against APA.

SaabsOverSAW · 08-11-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 74Classic

From your avatar it looks like you are a Pinnacle or Mesaba guy. Why so worried about AE?

Because the only two airlines that operate to my town are AE and Delta Connection, and if AE leaves then we are stuck with those awful CRJ-200s that Pinnacle flies.

And anyway, I know that some airlines arent too happy with their regional jets, but you guys were talking like they would all be gone within a week.

Prestwick Pioneer · 08-11-2012, 12:08 PM

The 50 seater jets are dead ducks. Whether you like it or not they will go. Your town will get an upgrade to a larger type RJ no doubt and this will allow AE to lower their CASM's etc. While many may like these a/c they are no longer financially viable. Its like the Avro RJ, we have flights which are now done by Q400s. They are a bit of a pain for W/B purposes and the holds are too small, but they burn 60% less fuel than the Avro and the sector time is 2 mins less. Everyone is a winner. No one flies CR2s or ER4s in to our Airport now.

N787BA · 08-11-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 74Classic

I flew the AE ERJ 135/140/145 for 5 years. They were good airplanes and did what they were designed to do. Short hops. Eagle started putting these airplanes on routes that it was never designed for. Near the end we were doing almost 3+ hour trips. ORD-JAX comes to mind or ORD-Pensacola (cant remember the identifier).

I've since moved on to the B747 Classics and the B777. I kinda miss the hands on flying on this plane. The B747 was like moving a mountain and the B777 is a hands off bird.

But you are right, time to put these planes out to pasture. For the customer's sake a 737, A319 or E190 is a much better ride.

BTW- where was the airplane parked?

This one was parked in Springfield, Missouri (KSGF)

I looked on FlightAware and it was heading to Dallas Texas the morning after I took those photos.

beltloader · 08-14-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

But with AE being one of the main operators of the ERJ, if they were getting rid of them you would think that we would have heard about it on some of the bigger aviation websites.

sorry its on jetnet which is only viewed by amr employees...I know that ERJ's are the workhorse of AE fleet but they hold less pax compared to say CRJ's....case in point on kick-offs and overnights YYZ-ORD,ORD-YYZ mostly ERJ's but mid-day its all CRJ and on late afternoon its MD-80

AirTran Airways 717 · 08-14-2012, 08:43 PM

I'll always have a special place in my heart for the ERJ's. I just love the distinctive nose and main landing gears. Though it is small on the inside, they are also still one of my favorite rides! It beats a CRJ-200 and having to crouch to look out the window any day!

74Classic · 08-14-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beltloader

sorry its on jetnet which is only viewed by amr employees...I know that ERJ's are the workhorse of AE fleet but they hold less pax compared to say CRJ's....case in point on kick-offs and overnights YYZ-ORD,ORD-YYZ mostly ERJ's but mid-day its all CRJ and on late afternoon its MD-80

Brings back memories.

By the time I left AE I was in the top 10 FOs on the ERJ. In the spring and summer I bid ORD-YOW and in the fall and winter I bid the MIA overnights all the time.

beltloader · 08-15-2012, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 74Classic

Brings back memories.

By the time I left AE I was in the top 10 FOs on the ERJ. In the spring and summer I bid ORD-YOW and in the fall and winter I bid the MIA overnights all the time.

why you dont like the yyz route

....cant wait when they bring the 737 max to yyz and personally get the overnight shift so i can check the new sky cabin

peak airways · 08-16-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SaabsOverSAW

Dallas-Fort Smith, AK.

Now that is a LONG flight on an ERJ-145!

WSobchak · 08-17-2012, 05:03 PM

WOW! Why all the playa hatin' on the Jungle Jet?!

Personally, I love that ride. My wife and I traveled on them a lot out of ORD the past couple years. I would actually give preference to a flight segment with an ERJ versus anything with a 3 X 3 config.

We would always sit on the 2 seat side in semi-privacy. No third wheel next to us to entertain and no middle seat EVER. I loved the way the aisle armrest would raise (only one FA ever gave me a problem during takeoff) and it was actually quite comfortable especially if you could snag the exit row and I'm a big guy at 6'+.

Great view even from the aisle seat. Drop your carry on at the end of the jet bridge and pick it up when you get off. No hassles of carrying it on board or dealing with baggage claim. Even better if there was no jet bridge.

Flew MEM - GSO on a Pinnacle CRJ-200 once... ONCE! No comparison.

We flew:

ORD - TYS (N671AE, N613AE)
ORD - HSV (N615AE, N621AE)
ORD - XNA (N846AE, N820AE)
ORD - TRI (N806AE, N721HS)
ORD - PIT (N905JH, N613AE)
ORD - MHK (N625AE)

I honestly do not see what would be used to replace them. Even an EMB-170/190 would be over capacity on some of routes. ORD - MHK c'mon?!

Piedmont flew 737s into TRI all the time (back in the day when the government was paying the difference), but now every seat counts. I don't think airports like TRI, SGF, or AVL could justify a B737/A319 anymore, but if they could you'd get one flight a day if you were lucky and retained any service at all.

We had to go to Cape Girardeau from Chicago twice. The most convenient way? The 5-1/2+ hour drive! The other options were AA to STL then Cape Air to CGI, but the travel time was actually longer and dealing with ORD and changing planes in STL? No thank you. The other option was ORD - PAH on a UAX CRJ-200 then still a 1-1/2 hour drive and only two flight choices that didn't mesh with our schedule. Again, no thank you.

ERJ-135/140/145 all the way! Like having your own personal jet waiting for you at the airport.

beltloader · 08-17-2012, 09:18 PM

dont know much about the crj-200 but i was comparing the erj-145 to the crj-700 PAX volume wise that is frequent up here .nothing against the erj-145 its still a good plane hardly no mech. problems

N787BA · 08-17-2012, 09:29 PM

I love the plane too, especially after seeing it in person. haha. Now I want a diecast of it.